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Greater Boston Tea Party - For Immediate Release 4.11.12

by: CVarley

Wed Apr 11, 2012 at 14:58:25 PM EDT


((Sunday Bumped) Why can't any of these loons just create their own organizations without having to steal the "Tea-Party" mantra, which for four years now, in the Boston area, has been the "Greater Boston Tea Party" (GBTP) well-recongnized by both local and national media.  "40" organizations?  One guy with Letterhead isn't an organization! - promoted by Paul R. Ferro)

Boston April 11, 2012 ---In keeping with the Greater Boston Tea Party's tradition of welcoming all that want to preserve our Constitutional freedoms, we will be neither endorsing nor attending the rally on the Boston Common scheduled for Sunday, April 15, 2012. In fact, we encourage tea party activists to avoid the event. Sponsored by an unfamiliar "Mass Tea Party Coalition", the lack of communication and collaboration with established tea party organizations concerns us that this is an organization bent on damaging the good name of the tea party movement.

For nearly three years, Greater Boston Tea Party has been strongly focused on the serious fiscal issues facing the Commonwealth and this country. Our organization does not take positions on social issues, such as gay marriage or abortion. While these issues are important to many people, including some of our members, they do not apply to our mission of advocating for personal responsibility and individual Liberty.

The Mass Tea Party Coalition has a radically different view on tea party activism. Their main focus appears to be the above social issues, as evidenced by the speakers they have chosen for their rally, including two well known anti-gay activists. The coalition claims to represent 40 groups but there is little evidence of this being accurate. We know of at least one legitimate Tea Party group that has asked repeatedly to be removed from the "coalition", but to no avail. Their unprofessional behavior and unwillingness to communicate with other established tea party organizations are distressing but to be expected as part of political activism.

"We are fortunate that the majority of the independent tea party organizations in Massachusetts have agreed to come together and share our collective message of preserving the Constitution and the principles of good governance therein", said Christine Morabito, president of the Greater Boston Tea Party. "On April 15, the Greater Boston Tea Party is proud to be joining with the Worcester County Tea Parties for their 4th annual Tax Day Rally. The Worcester group has proven to be an earnest, honorable grass-roots organization, and does a fine job of representing the conservative center of the state."

Greater Boston Tea Party volunteers will assist in the event Sunday, April 15, 2012 at Lincoln Square, Worcester. They will also sponsor a booth where attendees can meet and speak to columnist Aaron Goldstein as well as receive a free copy of the United States Constitution.

CVarley :: Greater Boston Tea Party - For Immediate Release 4.11.12
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How about a Compromise? (2.00 / 2)
There is a way to meet in the middle that is not anti-gay but would in fact help gay people even as it preserved marriage.

Fiscal conservatives and small government conservatives should be extra wary of same-sex conception being declared a right and labs starting to create babies that could not exist in nature. It will require billions of dollars just to research it, and billions more each year to regulate it and make it available to everyone. The only way to be fiscally conservative and keep the government from getting into our child's genes and meddling with our own reproduction, is to completely prohibit the creation of children any other way except joining a man and a woman's unmodified gametes.

So it should make sense for you to support a ban on same-sex reproduction and cloning and genetic engineering, and it should make sense for you as defenders of equality and liberty to support preserving everyone's right to marry someone eligible and for all marriages to procreate with their spouse using their own genes.

And it wouldn't be anti-gay at all, because you would be joined in the Compromise by the Social Conservatives who would soften their stance by accepting Civil Unions for same-sex couples formerly in marriages, in exchange for ending same-sex marriage. Though they would not get everything they want, they would make a huge step toward achieving everything they want, moving the status quo in their direction finally.


Dude... (5.00 / 2)
...The Tea Party isn't about social anything other than stay out of our lives.

Will you please keep your crazy in it's own container!

"Don't let me get away with it. Check me out. Don't be the sucker generation." -Ronald Reagan

www.inBrockton.com



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Right, this would accomplish that (0.00 / 1)
Did you see my argument about why allowing labs to make people from genetically modified genes and allowing same-sex conception would lead to big government regulation and entitlements?

The way to keep government out of our lives is to keep our reproduction natural, to preserve the right to use our own genes to have kids with our spouse.

It's ridiculous to think that government would not start regulating and meddling with our children's genes, and perhaps even try to force us to use screened and modified gametes. The Tea Party should be united in not wanting that to happen, and it will surely happen if we leave it legal.


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What do you consider illegal immigration? (0.00 / 0)
Social issue or fiscal issue?

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"Men invent new ideals because they dare not attempt old ideals. They look forward with enthusiasm, because they are afraid to look back." - G.K. Chesterton
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It is both: (0.00 / 0)
You can not separate social and fiscal issues.  

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Illegal immigration is breaking the law... (5.00 / 2)
...Abortion is not.  Gay marriage is not.

Whether you like it or not.

If you reduce the size of government, you will keep government out of our lives.

Defend this Science Fiction whack job all you want.  I think there is a post about ice cream that he can post something about same sex procreations somewhere.

"Don't let me get away with it. Check me out. Don't be the sucker generation." -Ronald Reagan

www.inBrockton.com



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Bzzzt.... (5.00 / 1)
it's a LEGAL and fiscal issue.
Laws are broken and $$$$BILLIONS are pilfered from Americans.

"I acknowledge having racist and classist and sexist feelings of white male superiority." -John Howard

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Says who? (0.00 / 0)
One guy with Letterhead isn't an organization!


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"Men invent new ideals because they dare not attempt old ideals. They look forward with enthusiasm, because they are afraid to look back." - G.K. Chesterton
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ME! NOW GET OFF MY LAWN! (5.00 / 1)
(mumbles to self) "Damn kids....and their...rock & roll...."

Follow me on Twitter?  Sure, why not.  www.twitter.com/paulferro

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Obligatory. (5.00 / 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

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"Men invent new ideals because they dare not attempt old ideals. They look forward with enthusiasm, because they are afraid to look back." - G.K. Chesterton
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yup (0.00 / 0)
that's so classic.

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Bravo! (0.00 / 0)
It was important to draw this line, I think.

It is more than just 'abortion and gay rights"; (0.00 / 0)
All of the social issues cause the fiscal issues. It is a culmination of them all. Planned Parenthood is a fiscal issue. How much of our tax dollars go to that entity? Social engineering in our schools is a fiscal issue. How much of our tax dollars go to that entity to enhance the social engineering? How much of our tax dollars go to pushing a special interest agenda? You have to look at the whole picture when you say "social issues". Every single entitlement program and agenda driven special interest is paid for by tax dollars. You can not separate social and fiscal issues. They are one in the same.  

cut off the money and you cut off the intrusion... (4.67 / 3)
...but you want social first.

I get that...  Have fun with it.

You ruined a great opportunity to starve the beast in a way that was palatable to  a great number of people who had varying beliefs.  But because you wanted yours first, the movement will die.

Good job.

"Don't let me get away with it. Check me out. Don't be the sucker generation." -Ronald Reagan

www.inBrockton.com



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maybe you can't separate them (5.00 / 1)
but I can.

Its actually a lot cleaner and clearer to stand on simple small government principles than to try and derive small government from a worldview that would have government tell people how to live their lives.

Thats what I think anyway.


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it's all about how you frame the argument/issue (5.00 / 2)
I can make the defund Planned Parenthood argument while never mentioning abortion as a good or evil.

TP activists lobbied against the Bathroom Bill as a threat to Liberty.

I can advocate for a parents' right to determine what their kid is taught in sex ed class without ever using a gay slur.

In policy advocacy, you have a mission. You can then apply that mission to any piece of legislation, any government policy and say yes or no. No emotion, no accusations, no damning people to Hell or throwing the St. James edition at their head. This is the beauty of the TP movement. We are not beholden to a party or any one set of social/moral values. We just want government smaller, less intrusive and less expensive. Well, at least that's what I wanted. Now I just want out.

But you cannot put a well known anti-gay activist on a stage under a Tea Party banner and not expect the rest of us to balk - especially our gay members.

The political strategist in me says be thoughtful and deliberate - and stick to mission.

The Catholic Christian in me says God is the judge. My opinion does not count. My job is to live a good, moral life as defined by MY faith.


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What exactly do you disagree with them about? (0.00 / 0)
Sure, you can put a well known anti-gay activist on a stage under a Tea Party banner, what are you talking about? What slurs are you talking about? I've never seen anything on MassResistance I disagree with, but I might have missed something. I sure do disagree with them when they don't endorse my Compromise, they frustrate me to no end, but I admire the work that they do and their courage in doing it, particularly their shining the spotlight on the Transgender agenda, so they might be coming around.

We should all oppose big government progressives who want to take away the core rights of marriage and regulate how people are created and by whom, regulating and limiting it and taxing and spending it, so we need to explain to the public why we need to preserve marriage and preserve natural conception and stop the techno-progressive sneak attack on natural reproduction rights. We need to protect children from being experimented on and being sterilized. You can't just go along with all this stuff and expect everyone to drop their opposition to it, you can't stop people from opposing it with all they got. You should listen to his speech and say what exactly you disagree with him about.

What side are you on, do you think same-sex procreation should be legal and kids should be taught they can be either gender (Transhumanism) or do you think we should preserve natural male-female reproduction and teach kids they are one sex and can only reproduce with the other sex (bio-conservative)?  


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Here try a softball one (0.00 / 0)
Do you agree with Warren and Coakley that the federal government should recognize state same-sex marriages, and that part of DOMA should be repealed? Or are you OK with opposing giving federal benefits to same-sex marriages, even though it would offend gay people to take that stand? It's baby steps, but let's walk through it...

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When it comes to marriage, (5.00 / 1)
the government should be out of the business entirely. If it wants to license or recognize "civil unions" fine. Then a civil union could be any two adults eligible to enter into a contract. Of course, I disagree with the tax code that provides breaks to those who set up house together.

Marriage is a term best defined at church - whatever your church is. Government should not define it. But if they do, as a private citizen, I will vote against calling same sex unions "marriage".

So, DOMA would be unnecessary. The D's and R's would have nothing to fight about.

And I say this while disclosing that I worked for the Coalition for Marriage and Family for two years. part of the job was to advocate bringing a vote on marriage to the citizens of MA.

I also do not support recognizing "transgender" as undefined in MA as a protected class of citizen. Of course, I object to defining anyone as a protected class.

I don't really have a position on whop should or shouldn't reproduce in what kinds of ways. I support the traditional way - it's how I did it even though it literally almost killed me and I can never reproduce again. You always go off on these silly bunny trails that really have nothing to do with the issue at hand which is "a poorly defined so called tea party organization should avoid reflecting poorly on all other tea party organizations by giving a stage to well known anti-gay, extremely offensive and abhorrently viewed speakers.


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Yeah, Ducking 101 (0.00 / 1)
So you think men should be able to reproduce with their daughter or sister? Is prohibiting that too big a government imposition for you?

Allowing people to reproduce with someone of the same sex is going to cost billions of dollars and force the government to start regulating and subsidizing it like we subsidize IVF.

We shouldn't get rid of marriage, and we aren't going to get rid of marriage, because we need a civil legal status that approves and allows the couple to have sex and reproduce offspring together, and a way to prohibit certain relationships from doing that. And I certainly want to be able to enter into a legal civil marriage and feel the official social approval to have sex and reproduce with my spouse, like all of my ancestors were able to enjoy, as a human right. Churches only respect the civil authority when they declare someone married it has to be a legal civil marriage. Otherwise it is meaningless to the church, if the couple is not approved and allowed to begin a sexual life together by the state they are not married. And no, couples that have sex but aren't married aren't married in the eyes of the church, churches respect state authority, they aren't separate from it.

Wow, you would vote against same-sex marriage? Why? Even I feel that as long as same-sex reproduction is legal, then we should certainly allow same-sex couples to marry. But you feel we should not let same-sex couples marry, even though you feel they should be allowed to reproduce offspring together? Makes no sense. Bigoted and hateful, even.

And we should stand with leaders who are fighting for the health and safety and liberty of our children, not stand with the people who want to experiment and operate on them and take away their natural reproductive rights. That's who you are standing with, except for your senseless and bigoted position of withholding the name marriage from same-sex couples, you agree completely with BAGLY, as far as I can tell. Or do you object to BAGLY and public schools teaching pro-gay lessons?


[ Parent ]
There is a new Japanese restaurant in Brockton... (5.00 / 1)
...called Yamato Japanese Steakhouse.

I ate there a couple of weeks ago.  It's like dinner theatre.

They cook the food at a big grill in front of you, with razor sharp knives and hot oil, flames and everything.  And the food is pretty good too.

It's where the old Uno's bar and grill was at the Westgate Mall.  The outside looks the same but they completely remodeled the inside.

You can choose the traditional Hibachi side of the place (which is the most fun), and have steak, scallops, and shrimp, with warm Saki or you can choose a more western style of dining where you can order off a regular "plated" menu.

And they have a full bar!

Check it out if you're in the Brockton area!  It's definitely worth the trip!

Yelp has it at 5 stars!

"Don't let me get away with it. Check me out. Don't be the sucker generation." -Ronald Reagan

www.inBrockton.com



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Sounds delish! (0.00 / 0)
Headed out tonight with my daughter. Celebrating a new job, new house! All's well that ends well!

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Tea Party Rallies (0.00 / 0)
I had always gone to Boston for the Tea Party Rallies, but this year I will be going to Worcester.  I always defended the Tea Party against the liberals by saying that we just want smaller government and lower taxes.  Plain and simple.

Then why do you want gay marriage? (0.00 / 1)
You should agree with me that we should prohibit same-sex procreation and other artificial methods of creating a human embryo, we should stop spending on the research into it, and we should stop schools from teaching kids they can change their sex, we should stop spending on "safe schools" and other pro-gay budget items. Imagine how huge government will be when it starts regulating genetic engineering and how much taxes will go up when it has to provide these services to everyone for free.

We can let people do what they want and stay out of their lives without saying same-sex procreation should be legal. I think there are lots of Transhumanists here who are deceitful, they don't care about doubling the size of government, they just want Transhumanism to be allowed to grow and become entrenched, they want us to think it is a right. But it isn't, and it will cost us tons of money and grow government through the roof.


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My one hear of any new Ben and Jerry flavors! (0.00 / 0)
I'm not too keen on so e of the flavors.

I really miss Dove Ice cream. It had a chocholate ganache topping that made it the best thing on earth. Even the Vanilla came alive with that chocholatey goodness on top.  

"Don't let me get away with it. Check me out. Don't be the sucker generation." -Ronald Reagan

www.inBrockton.com



[ Parent ]
Have yo seen (0.00 / 0)
what they've done with Klondike bars??

"I acknowledge having racist and classist and sexist feelings of white male superiority." -John Howard

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Oh man - I could put down a 6 rack of Klondike bars in 1 sitting. (0.00 / 0)
Also - what do you like to drink when you eat ice cream?  I can't think of anything better than a glass of plain old water.  Funny how things work.  

Molon Labe

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With ice cream, (0.00 / 0)
I like milk - or chocolate sauce:)

[ Parent ]
Hot Marshmallow! (0.00 / 0)
That's the only way to go, Brother.

"Don't let me get away with it. Check me out. Don't be the sucker generation." -Ronald Reagan

www.inBrockton.com



[ Parent ]
mmmmm - Hot liquified marshmallow : ) (0.00 / 0)


Molon Labe

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Oh yeah! My favorite of all sauces! : ) (0.00 / 0)


Molon Labe

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Misconception (0.00 / 0)
The majority of tea party members are not radical. We agree to disagree. But to paint the picture that if we don't agree on certain issues then we are radical.

Aren't we all adults? Can we as individuals choose which event to go to? Or do we need to be character assassinated/ slandered and be told not to go.  

If there is any speaker that I find offensive at any tea party rally, I have to choice to leave and not listen.  I would never stop anyone from going to either rally!

Either way, it is my choice whether I decide to go to any rally.  


Gotta laugh (5.00 / 1)
You open with,

"In keeping with the Greater Boston Tea Party's tradition of welcoming all that want to preserve our Constitutional freedoms, we will be neither endorsing nor attending the rally on the Boston Common..."

Yet you will ostracize anyone you don't agree with.
ahh, just who are the bigots?

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"welcoming all" (0.00 / 0)
They are not welcoming of all.

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Perhaps this helps (5.00 / 2)
Most reasonable people see the dire financial position the Country is in; it's broke and they would like to see it fixed, even many of those that live on a government check.

Most feel they are over taxed and the government has gone to far in to their personal space and/or are spending taxpayers money on business they shouldn't be in.

These fundamental Tea Party issues are very dear to hard working patriotic Americans who will come out and vocally support the people that are willing to fight on their behalf. They are also simple issues to comprehend.

When you start to get into other issues, that may very well be one of hundreds of social or fiscal issues that are in fact a subset of the primay tea party message, many can no longer see the forest for the trees. Consequently, the crowd starts to disperse.

You start talking fetuses, genetic engineering, anti-gay, religion, etc; you splinter the crowd even further and the original movement becomes so dilluted, it dissolves.

It's not that most Conservative people don't share many of these same fiscal and social concerns, its that this is an important and winnable battle front that needs to stay simplistically defined and focused if we, (Conservative/Patriotic Americans of all types) are to have any chance of some day winning back our Country from the Socialists that have taken control.


Well, don't splinter (0.00 / 0)
The progressive strategy is like lions chasing a pack of gazelles. They try to get one away from the pack and then they kill it, and the pack runs away to safety, until tomorrow when it happens again. That's what progressives are doing now, and the pack needs to stay together, instead of leaving people unprotected. Their strategy is to attack the trees one at a time, because they can't attack the forest. They attack by trying to embarrass people, but there is nothing embarrassing about any of those things you mention, and there is no need to splinter the party. You don't hear me telling you to stop talking about government waste or more efficient use of tax dollars, do you? I stand side-by-side you in opposition to the big government progressive socialist Democrats. Don't splinter us apart!

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So you're suggesting the gazelles all stick together (0.00 / 0)
and then the lions kill all of them?

I don't think your analogy works.


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No the lions would give up (0.00 / 0)
because they couldn't break the gazelles ranks. Whenever they got close to one, the others would come to protect it as one of them, and the lions would retreat under the barrage of kicks and bites. They'd get weaker and weaker until they starved to death.

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You don't watch enough nature shows. That's not how it works. (0.00 / 0)
First the lions would start killing them, then the rest of the predators would start.

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Not in this State, (0.00 / 0)
The lions would be given EBT cards and they would eat fast food, travel and gamble while the gazelles kept working to support the lions. And after the infighting on how to deal with social issues had isolated the herd in to small groups, the lions still finished off the gazelles! THE END.

Sorry, I had too!


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Then please alert the So-Cons to stop purging RINOS from the herd. (0.00 / 0)


Yr. Obedient Servant, Peter Porcupine, Republican

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Work together instead of against each other (5.00 / 1)
You've hit directly upon the subject that has long bothered me.

I won't say it's the case only with social conservatives but it has certainly been, visibly, factions adhereing to that world view who have engaged in purges in recent memory.

I'm proud to be socially conservative.  I want to advance our principles at every practical opportunity.  I appreciate the activism of a great many but I reject their shrill, often hostile, rhetoric.

It's not a matter to me of the new crew versus the veterans on the State Committee.  The peoples' choices are what they are and so be it.  I respect those choices and those that were chosen.  I hope to work with them, and all, closely and amicably.

Campaigns are often harsh but there's no need for hostility to be actively perpetuated.

Hey, this social conservative has been kicked out of a few clubs in my day for not being "socially conservative enough" or for being too friendly with "The Establishment".  So be it, I won't cry about it.  God bless 'em all as we actually agree.  Personally, I just want my $20.00 dues back as promised.  But even then, I've seen those who once at best kept me at arms length, if not purged, themselves seemingly the subject of purges.

The circular firing squad must end.  

As far as the Tea Party events go this weekend, I wish I could attend both the Boston and Worcester events.  Alas, current circumstances prevent me from attending either.  

We've got to put an end to the divisive rhetoric.  The self-victimization and pride in being "The Outsider" is tired.  Heck, it reminds me of a pro-wrestling storyline of 10-15 years ago (congrats to those who pick up on the previous reference).

The point is, this isn't the WWF/WWE, WCW, Impact Wrestling and we should acting - all of us - like the outlandish, scripted, soap opera that the aforementioned actually is.

Now, strictly speaking of the Tea Party... my impression was that it was originally comprised of patriotic, Constitutionalist Americans, regardless of partisan affiliation, who sought a return to core values and those were directly embodied in small/limited government, low taxes, and less spending.  TEA Party - Taxed Enough Already!

As a social conservative, I welcome the inclusion of a values based principles to the discussion.  What we've got to ensure is that the addition becomes a successful marriage and not a civil war.  

Be it on the Tea Party scene or within the MassGOP, we cannot lose sight of our common goals and the ties that bind us together.

In conclusion, we've simply got to clean up our acts, stop the spiteful rhetoric, and work together as allies against a common foe.

Enough is enough, this isn't the backyard sandbox and we cannot afford intra-party, intra-ideological, and intra-movement squabbles lest we run the risk of implosion.


[ Parent ]
Good sentiments. What about Massachsuetts? (0.00 / 0)
Brock -

As always, I appreciate how you conduct yourself in public, and I agree with your calls for unity.

However, don't we have to go a bit further because we are in Massachusetts? So I am a social conservative, but I must recognize that there is a durable, state-wide majority that is not, and will not be converted to be, socially conservative.

So I don't think the strategy should be "Well, we should be a socially conservative party that works with the moderates and liberals." That would be a solid strategy in New Hampshire. Here it is very different.

In fact, I think our strategy should be, "We will be a socially centrist party that works well with both liberals and conservatives." I don't mean that I want to be a social centrist - I do not. But as a matter of what it will take to win, we can't anchor ourselves in social conservative principles if we want a significant share of power. Some would rather be socially conservative and irrelevant to state politics. Fine. But that isn't what I want, and is not what the party should want.


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Don't Disagree (0.00 / 0)
I don't necessarily disagree with you.  I'm proud to be socially conservative but I do understand that we live in Massachusetts and that's what often makes me run afoul of some of my brethren because I am willing to take a long-view and some delayed gratification to ultimately achieve a greater goal.

Truth be told, we cannot politically convert everyone - even a majority - to a socially conservative position.  That's a cultural development, not a political one.  We can build effective, winning, political coalitions that advance socially conservative principles but what is ultimately required is an interior growth and spiritual renewal, another Great Awakening.

As a social conservative, I will work with anyone & anyone to make Massachusetts move to the right.  I'm pro-life & pro-traditional marriage, and I make no secret about it nor do I seek any apology for it.  However, I don't ostracize or purge my more libertarian minded fellow Republicans, rather I hope to bring them along with me.  Maybe they'll click on the fiscal aspects rahter than the moral or ethical.  Whatever brings them along and signs them on to the coalition is immaterial to me...the ultimate objective matters so much more.

I also have no delusions as to how difficult it is to build a Culture of Life in the Commonwealth.  This is Massachusetts and I'm still young & stubborn enough to play chess and not checkers.

My view doesn't always please my socially conservative friends.  I'm not going to shout down other Republicans (much less independents) and browbeat them into submission.  Rather, I'll join them in our various points of agreement that unify us.

The cause is always paramount, personally and I try to never lose sight of that for my own conscience.  Politically, to personally advance that cause often requires just what you suggest.


[ Parent ]
The Tea Party, it is not a fight between fiscal or social.... (0.00 / 0)
The Tea Party, it is not a fight between fiscal or social conservatives but upholding our founding values...

George Washington first president of the United States from the Original Manuscript of General Orders, "While we are zealously performing the duties of good Citizens and soldiers we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of Religion. To the distinguished Character of Patriot, it should be our highest Glory to add the more distinguished Character of Christian. The signal Instances of providential Goodness which we have experienced and which have now almost crowned our labours with complete Success, demand from us in a peculiar manner the warmest returns of Gratitude and Piety to the Supreme Author of all Good."

Fundamental to our nation, as written in the MA Constitution by John Adams, second president of the United States who drafted this State Constitution, "As the happiness of a people, and the good order and preservation of civil government, essentially depend upon piety, religion and morality; and as these cannot be generally diffused through a community, but by the institution of the public worship of God...." "The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God." Our Government fundamentally depends upon morality, which our society is based on, the fabric of our society, the conscience of people and not the government forcing morality on the people.

Thomas Jefferson, third president of the United States, "It is inconsistent with the spirit of our laws and Constitution to force tender consciences." James Madison, fourth president of the United States affirmed, "Government is instituted to protect property of every sort - conscience is the most sacred of all property." Thomas Jefferson, third president of the United States, "In matters of religion, I have considered that its free exercise is placed by the constitution independent of the powers of the general government. I have therefore undertaken, on no occasion, to prescribe the religious exercises suited to it; but have left them, as the constitution found them, under the direction and discipline of state or church authorities acknowledged by the several religious societies." As Jefferson so described this as a "wall" or "fence" preventing the "establishment of a particular form of Christianity" by any one denomination and to promote the "free exercise of religion" everywhere. Fundamental to our nation is the protection of religion and the promotion of religion so stated by the founding fathers of this nation.

James Madison fourth president of the United States also wrote, "Do not separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of illegitimate government." The founding fathers of this nation established laws to prevent a situation we Declared Independence from, a Church of England wherein the government established its own Church to force conscience. This must not be misconstrued as an absolute "Wall of Separation" or absolute "Separation of Church and State." Christianity from its Jewish roots, the many Councils and Creeds divided amongst lesser divine, moral laxity, financial corruption and many reformations should be all inclusive in intent no matter what you call your self. From Anglicanism to Catholic to Methodists to Presbyterianism and so on, Christianity should not be divided but seen as a binding morality of this nation. With this, there must be protection of individual conscience and we are not forced to worship one narrative from the State. Of most concern must be the protection of our founding values of individual conscience, public government fundamentally depends upon morality of the people and not the national government forcing morality on the people.

A Public Government, individuals whom have the moral conscience to govern their selves, thus a Nation that Declared Independence from the Socialist State of governance and established the framework of self governance. The fundamental argument for Socialism, Communism, Progressivism, Populism and all other forms of expanded national government is that liberty and capitalism is wrought with corruption and unscrupulous people. Therefore, government must step in and intervene, often giving the power to unscrupulous politicians and more corruption, a fallacious argument. The socialist doctrine demands Statist ownership and control of distribution of wealth, creation and individual conscience. But to do so it must destroy self governance, by violent Populist Revolt, brute physical force, unchecked populism of "Mob Rule" or the systematic destruction of the parts depending on the facet of socialist doctrine. This is our fight, not amongst our selves but to rebuild our foundation on which fiscal responsibility and small government is dependent on...  

For some, taking on social values are too divisive and should not be part of the Tea Party, they want their Kingdome but don't want God to be part of it. The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of individual conscience, a public government depending upon morality of the people and a Statist government forcing morality on the people. Of those that do not acknowledge individualism, an individual conscience, the original definition thereof Christianity set forth by our wise founders they will rot from within and so will their Kingdome. There is an overwhelming body of evidence, only a small part of which presented here that our freedom is dependent on individual consciences, individual morality, or Christianity as our founders declared from their research and their writing. Of those that eulogize fiscal only they are absurdly wrong, in fact it is fiscal responsibility and is two words that go hand in hand, without one you cannot have the other. Responsibility is the individual conscience that guides us and must not be forsaken.  


Nice post (0.00 / 0)
I'll grant you that the founding fathers were all very pious and religious, and also that there is a great tradition of religion interwoven with our founding principles and documents.  I think you do a decent job of making this point.

What you miss, though (and it is a critical flaw in your reasoning) is that the tea party is a different thing that that, and it was not founded nor was it intended to stand for exactly these same things.  The tea party is about smaller government, less intrusion into our lives, period.  You may wish that the it was more than that, but the evidence does not support you.

The advantage to the tea party of not contemplating social or religious issues is that it can attract a much larger and more diverse base of support than it could otherwise.  Therefore it can be more effective.  As it was in 2010.  Also, it has to be fair for a group to take a stand on one set of issues and not another.

So I think you can support the tea party in their small government focus without trying to insist that they share your religious and cultural focus.  That's OK.  If you want a similar group that includes both focuses, then by all means go and make one.  It would not be terribly cool of you to call it another tea party, but, hey, others are doing it and no one says you can't.

Full disclosure:  I am neither a social conservative, nor a member of any tea party organization


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What is smaller government, less intrusion into our lives? (0.00 / 0)
The tea party is about smaller government, less intrusion into our lives, and this includes the foundation for such a government. Yes, there are hang-ups and disagreement on small issues, both sides are guilty here wherein social conservatives fail to explain and fiscal conservatives overlook the foundation on which a less intrusion smaller government will only succeed. Seeing you do not support this conmen sense please explain the foundation you want and how can your foundation thrive and be successful as what we had.

Full disclosure:  I am a voice, one of the founding members and more, of the W/Mass Tea Party / 9|12 and others much older


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Have you noticed - (0.00 / 0)
it's always varley ranting for separation of the TEA Parties in this state, dictating which TEA Party is the TEA Party to follow, only the GBTP is the "politically correct" one to adhere to? None of the other TEA Parties do that. It is because TPs are individuals. I am the TP! I guess she's a control freak (all the way from Ohio). Nice try varley. Look at what political correctness has gotten us in this state! CRAP. Oh, that's right. You haven't lived here all your life.

What happened March 6th at the MAGOP will happen across the state. Little by little, conservatives will grow publicly in number because enough is enough.

You either stand on your principles or you don't. None of the members of the other TPs are radicals, as varley professes, we all just stand on our values and principles and don't cowtow to political pressure to make a "name for ourselves". We get the point across without being bigoted, as some people claim we are (ken).

Wake up people. Social and fiscal conservatives are coming out of the closet in droves. They have reached their limit of toleration. They are sick and tired of paying for all the "programs" of entitlement and social engineering.

Forget the words TEA PARTY, it doesn't matter. We are  concerned conservatives of the commonwealth who have had enough.


Good luck with it. (5.00 / 1)
I used to be proud to say I was a tea partier...

...as of today, I'm not one anymore.

I'm sure when all the posters with aborted fetuses show up on the common Monday, a bunch more people will say the same.

Thanks

"Don't let me get away with it. Check me out. Don't be the sucker generation." -Ronald Reagan

www.inBrockton.com



[ Parent ]
Sunday, April 15th, 2012 - 1pm to 4pm (0.00 / 0)
 Patriots Day Rally

Our Keynote Speaker Texas Republican Congressman and former District Judge Louie Gohmert  and featured Speaker Governor Gary Johnson will headline a series of guests who promise to electrify our gathering with patriotic messages on our theme of  "Patriot Courage"

Boston Common  Bandstand

Sunday, April 15th, 2012 - 1pm to 4pm

Other Featured speakers include:

Diana Reimer                         National Coordinator Tea Party Patriots

Brian Camenker                     Director Mass Resistance

Jack Coleman                        News Busters and Media Research

Rabbi Jonathan Hausman    Ahavath Torah

Carla Howell                           Executive Director National Libertarian Party

Don Feder                               Columnist and Consultant

Ed King                                   Founder Citizens for Limited Taxation- (CLT)

Steve Aylward                        Vice-President Mass Republican Assembly

Horace Mello                          National Committeeman Mass Republican Assembly

Rev. Garrett Lear                   The Patriot Pastor

Leo Martin                              Historian; Director of Education - Jenney Grist Mill

Rev. Scott Lively                    Abiding Truth

Tom Weaver                           Show ID to Vote


[ Parent ]
Don't you think it's odd that the speaker list would change from Tuesday to Friday? (0.00 / 0)
Date: Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 6:40 AM
Subject: North Shore Tea Party Monthly Meeting on Tuesday April 10, 2012
To: ns@northshoreteaparty.org

Patriot Day Rally - Mass Tea Party CoalitionThe Mass Tea Party Coalition in affiliation with Tea Party Patriots is holding a Patriot Day Rally on Boston Common on Sunday April 15th 2012
Featured Speakers Attending. List Will Be updated Weekly
Our "Patriot's Day Rally" with its Theme of Patriot Courage is
meant to be a family affair and we are planning to provide patriotic face
painting for children, as well as balloons and prizes. Rich Howell will
conduct a free tour of Lexington and Concord along the Battle Road and will
depart from the Common around 10:00 AM. We will be putting up a registration
counter on our www.massteaparty.org site for the battlefield tour. We will
keep you informed about updated speakers and events, so please come back here
often for updates.
Confirmed Featured Speakers List:
Senator Rick Santorum (scheduled)
Rep. Louie Gohmert (TX)
Governor Gary Johnson
Brian Camenker Director Mass
Resistance
Jack Coleman News Busters and
Media Research
Rabbi John Housman Ahavath Torah
Carla Howell Libertarian Party
Don Feder Columnist and
Consultant
Rev. Paul Jehle Plymouth Rock Foundation
Ed King Founder Citizens
for Limited Taxation- (CLT)
Dave Kopaz President Mass
Republican Assembly
Rev, Garrett Lear The Patriot
Pastor
Leo Martin Historian; Director of
Education -Jenney Grist Mill
Rev Scott Lively Abiding Truth
David Tureck Executive Director -
Beacon Hill Institute
Tom Weaver Show ID to
Vote
Saugus MA- Carlos Hernandez, the Massachusetts Tea Party Patriots State
Coordinator announces that the Mass Tea Party Coalition will hold a Patriot Day
Rally on Sunday April 15th at the Boston Common Bandstand. Further details will
follow as event plans are finalized.
The Mass Tea Party is a grassroots coalition of more than 40 locally
affiliated chapters Throughout Massachusetts. The groups are non-profit,
non-partisan organizations dedicated to promoting & Defending The
Constitution of the Constitution of the United state of America. Visit Mass Tea
Party online at www.massteaparty.org
Patriot Day Rally - Mass Tea Party Coalition

Carlos Hernandez
Carlos@northshoreteaparty.org
North Shore Tea Party
Massachusetts Tea Party Patriots - State Coordinator
Mass Tea Party
781-202-7709
God bless the United States of America


[ Parent ]
Bummer (0.00 / 0)
He is where he should be right now. As a husband and father, he is with his family. I pray for his daughter. May she be well soon.

[ Parent ]
I doubt that he was ever going to come. (0.00 / 0)


[ Parent ]
And Gary Johnson is going to be at Worcester rally (0.00 / 0)
Looks like the Libertarian Gary Johnson has decided to speak at the Libertarian Tax Day Tea Party Rally in Worcester. Here is the lineup for Worcester:

This year, the GBTP will join the Worcester Tea Party for their Tax Day Tea Party Rally and encourages all its members to attend; the GBTP will not hold its traditional rally on the Boston Common and is not involved in any programs that take place there.  Speakers at the Worcester event include:

   Former  New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson
   Chris Maider of WCUW's Meat and Potatoes show will MC.
   Chip Faulkner from Citizens for Limited Taxation
   Josh Archambault, from Pioneer Institute
   Aaron Goldstein, contributor to American Spectator
   Andrew Bernstein, author "Capitalist Solutions"
   Arianna Scricco, student in Shrewsbury
   Bonnie Lund- Johnson will say a few words about Activate Worcester
   Mary-Alice Perdichizzi from Brandeis University



[ Parent ]
Gary Johnson (0.00 / 0)
will NOT be in Boston either. Seems he agrees that being on stage with well-known anti-gay activists is bad for business. I was always curious why he was invited anyway? He is not a social conservative - he is the opposite.

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Because they weren't only inviting social conservatives (0.00 / 0)
He is a well known Libertarian, and well known for supporting gay marriage equality.

And yet, he was invited to speak at the Tea Party on the Common, because it is a Tea Party rally, not a social conservative rally. It was you that divided the Tea Party into two, not the Tea Party, and Johnson is proof. I would have listened respectfully to his speech, and tried to reach him to explain why marriage equality is actually a big government disaster that will destroy equality and human dignity unless we undue it.


[ Parent ]
Johnson isn't coming (0.00 / 0)
because he doesn't want the bad publicity. Which is how this whole thing started. No one wants a rally put on by one group to damage the entire movement. So leave the bigots at home!!!

[ Parent ]
the point is, he was invited (5.00 / 1)
So was Carla Howell, who represented Libertarians and talked about how she supported equal rights for gays or something (I was leaving so I didn't quite hear her).

The point is, these Libertarian Tea Partiers were invited, they didn't refuse to let them speak.


[ Parent ]
LOL ! This is why I KNOW John Howard isn't crazy . . . (0.00 / 0)
So was Carla Howell, who represented Libertarians and talked about how she supported equal rights for gays or something (I was leaving so I didn't quite hear her).

I can't stop thinking about how many BMGers are reading this now and getting pissed at John.  

Molon Labe


[ Parent ]
oops, for the record (0.00 / 0)
For the record I support equal rights for everyone, but not same-sex marriage rights, which I think is actually what Carla Howell was saying she supported as I was leaving. No one has a right to try to conceive with someone of the same sex, or create human beings by any method other than natural sexual intercourse within marriage, and everyone has a right to be straight and marry someone eligible and be allowed to use their own genes to try to procreate with their spouse.

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Spoken like an individual. (0.00 / 0)
You don't need a TEA Party or any other group to do something. Each person to themselves. Do what you wish to get this state and our country back on track.

Are you saying only TEA Party people hold signs of aborted fetuses?  You are quite ignorant to the fact that just because people stand for what they believe, they must be a TP person; just a hayseed who doesn't get it; a bible thumper.

Any one who stands on their principles and core values is someone who stands on their principles and core values.

There are many people who have been out there for years and were never called a TEA Party. Some people think abortion is wrong. Some people think capitol punishment is wrong. Some people think physician assisted suicide is wrong. It's a personal choice, not "group think". That is what some people don't seem to understand.

The TEA Party movement has grown exponentially across this Country. It has morphed into regular citizens who have educated themselves on most all the issues mounting against us.

They don't affiliate with any group, THEY JUST DO!

Then there are those of us who come right out and say I AM THE TEA PARTY and join up with all the other I AM THE TEA PARTY people. We have no leader, we have no one issue.

We just DO.

So when one person comes out and demonizes a group which stands on conservative principles and core values, that is just wrong on so many levels. You don't like it, don't go. THAT is the Constitutional/Conservative way.  


[ Parent ]
You will never get it. (5.00 / 1)
You took a concept that had broad appeal, that appealed to Moderates and Concevatives from all parties, and you hijacked it and injected divisive issues that drive away the majority of people who might have supported the movement.

You and Jackie Howie can have your tea party meetings in a phone booth for all I care.

You could have had millions of people who's main drive was to DECREASE THE SIZE OF GOVERNMENT.  Think about that.  A smaller government would not have the power to intrude in our lives, and give money to deadbeats and solar water dehydrators.  But no, you aren't for smaller government.  You're just for a different big government, which is equally as bad.

Starving the beast is the only thing I support.  Right now, that's the highest priority.  I don't care about all that other crap.

But again, you have fun when you have your meetings in your Fiesta because the rent for the phone booth is too high.

"Don't let me get away with it. Check me out. Don't be the sucker generation." -Ronald Reagan

www.inBrockton.com



[ Parent ]
Tea Party was never pro-gay marriage (0.00 / 0)
I think you are mixing up your Gay Pride Festivals with your Tea Parties. The Rainbow flags were at Pride, not the Tea Party. I'm pretty sure there was absolutely zero pro-SSM sentiment at the first Tea Parties. And there were sure lots of social conservatives out in force at the first Tea Parties. Where are you getting this "originally it was pro-gay marriage" from?

We are certainly for smaller government and preserving our rights and liberties. Allowing people to marry someone of the same sex leads to bigger government and a loss of rights and liberties. Teaching kids they can change sex and have children with someone of either sex leads to big government and loss of liberties. It may seem paradoxical but the best way to preserve our liberties is with a law that preserves the right of every marriage to conceive offspring with their own genes, and that prohibits making people any way other than by joining a man a and a woman's unmodified gametes. That law won't require big government to enforce, but not enacting that law will require big government.

It's perfectly rational and reasonable and you shouldn't ditch us unless you want big government and labs making babies with modified genomes and people being pressured into using better genes rather than their own.


[ Parent ]
My wife brought home some SweetTart (0.00 / 0)
...gummie bunnies.

I wish she wouldn't.  But I love them.

I saw SweetTart jellie beans at Walmart a few months ago too, they were great.  Melted in your mouth.

"Don't let me get away with it. Check me out. Don't be the sucker generation." -Ronald Reagan

www.inBrockton.com



[ Parent ]
And I guess neither will you. (0.00 / 0)
You cannot separate the social and fiscal issues. It just isn't about "abortion or gays". It is all encompassing for all entitlement programs and social engineering agendas. WE agree on more than you think.

Most of the general public doesn't even realize what is going on. So, you educate them little by little. It scares most of them at first, but they then realize it's true and start to think for themselves. We've saved many non-committal moderates and a few self professed libbies this way.

Have fun in Worcester and the rest of us will have fun in Boston, celebrating Patriots Day!

By the way, who is Jackie Howie?


[ Parent ]
Jackie Howie (0.00 / 0)
is the lunatic martian trigender freak show that seems to post something about it in every thread there is.

He needs a doctor and be put on meds right away.

Whenever he responds to anyone's post with some fruitcake craziness, I've taken upon myself to post something that's incredibly more useful and entertaining, but equally as unrelated.  Such as my favorite ice cream flavors, or local restaurant reviews.

"Don't let me get away with it. Check me out. Don't be the sucker generation." -Ronald Reagan

www.inBrockton.com



[ Parent ]
so much for civil discourse (0.00 / 0)
rather disappointing that we can't keep this more civilized and productive.

[ Parent ]
This is a blip. (0.00 / 0)
Either tea party activists will move on or the not jobs who think it is their job to define "good Christian conservative Republicans" will move on. My bet is on the nut jobs ending up alone. They have been trying to make waves in MA for decades - latching on to every political gust of wind - and all they do is turn people of and end up alone again. And from what I've been told by you veterans, it's the same 5-6 cranks. All they do is embolden Liberals and turn people off.

[ Parent ]
The thing is... (0.00 / 0)
...I don't necessary disagree with their views, or oppose them.

A lot of times, I simply don't care.  I want more of my money.  It's easy for me to separate social from fiscal, because without fiscal the government is unable to effect the other.

They don't get it, they will treat a superficial wound until the patient dies from cancer.

They should be able to stand on their own.

"Don't let me get away with it. Check me out. Don't be the sucker generation." -Ronald Reagan

www.inBrockton.com



[ Parent ]
EXACTLY (5.00 / 1)
The So-Con TEA partiers believe their culture war trumps actual government usurpation of rights.

I talked to a person who used to go to TEA Party meetings in Hyannis.  He's an athiest, doesn't care about gay marriage. Thinks Agenda 21 concerns are 'above my pay grade' and wants to work on actions here is MA, so the Liberty Caucus stuff bores him. He DOES care about bond funded government, gun rights, and wants to be effective in the here and now, not a theoretical future.  Wants to see the Ryan budget, but wants to see MA EBT card reform even more.

And he's convinced that the activists who have seized the reins of the tea party here don't give a damn about governnment, only his morals.

Yr. Obedient Servant, Peter Porcupine, Republican


[ Parent ]
here you go then (0.00 / 0)
I used to be proud to say I was a tea partier...

...as of today, I'm not one anymore.

The Tea Party is and was everyone opposed to Obama and the Pelosi Dems and the liberal media. It was big and exciting because everyone who was upset by the direction the Dems were taking the country was welcomed into it. Everyone respected each other and stood together, we all supported each other.

If you still are opposed to the Democrats agenda, then you are still in the Tea Party. Otherwise, go here:

https://my.democrats.org/page/...


[ Parent ]
Thanks! (0.00 / 0)
I realize though, that I left out an important fact: the Tea Party was not purely anti-Democrat, we were fed up with Congress in general, including the Republicans in Congress who seemed more interested in bailing out the banks and fed up with moderate Republicans like McCain who we blamed for messing up the 2008 election by being too liberal and wishy-washy (except Sarah Palin, who was a hero to the Tea Party and toured with the Tea Party Express and is probably the politician most closely associated with the Tea Party).

[ Parent ]
Big conservative government is just as bad as big liberal government (5.00 / 3)
These "discussions' over the last few days have been ugly and angry and, thankfully, enlightening.

Maybe we need to redefine conservative. I actually like to call myself a constitutionalist or constitutional conservative. People that call themselves conservatives yet heave their Bibles at your head just don't get it. Whether they like it or not, being a "good Christian" by their standard is not a litmus test for being an American.

If we live by the principles and laws in the constitution, there should be no problems - no fiscal issues, no social issue, just what government should and shouldn't be doing. Government has a role - period. I am involved with the tea party movement for one reason - to limit all government.

What I see as the basis for this battle is not a debate between what issues tea party activists should talk about. It is the difference between big liberal government and big "conservative" government. If you simply want "YOUR RULES" followed, you are not advocating for limited government and individual Liberty, you are advocating for YOUR RULES. In other countries they call that fascism or totalitarianism. We called it tyranny. It does not belong in the tea party movement.


Compassionate Conservatism (0.00 / 0)
equals Big Government Conservatism, which is an oxymoron.

I shudder whenever I hear that Bush quote, "When people are hurting, government must act."

Umm, why must government act.

Plus, you can't call yourself a conservative if you implement the largest "entitlement" program since the Great Society in Medicare Part D. No Child Left Behind? Federal intrusion in education. Department of Homeland Security? Another government bureaucracy.

So much for cutting down the size and reach of Fedzilla. Sheesh.

Constitutional Conservatism. I like the sound of that.


G.O.P. Growth. Opportunity. Prosperity. For all Americans.

Karl (TLC)Weld


[ Parent ]
There you go again varley, (0.00 / 0)
You are the only one who brings up the bible in your tirades. You have quite an obsession with your one issue rant.  You are the one who started this whole discussion, or don't you remember. Who doesn't get it? You twist the whole point.

Try this - Keep your nose out of what other groups do and keep yourself to yourself. You sound like all the libbies out there using the same frantic chant.

If you don't like that suggestion, why don't you come to Boston Sunday and actually watch, listen and learn before you rag. Are you sure you aren't a closet Dem? You want YOUR rules followed or you wouldn't be so adamant against other groups doing what they want. Get the point varley?

Keep your nose to yourself. You don't speak for anyone or any other TP/Conservative group but yourself and your past GBTP (arm of the Mass GOP liberals) and whoever wants to listen to you.

You may have the Boston area media buffalooed, but no one else, save for a few in the center of the state.

You want to be a constitutional conservative, start with yourself before you speak about others.  


[ Parent ]
Yikes! (0.00 / 0)
take off the heels and maybe your aching feet won't make you so "rhymes with itchy".

Any (political) organization is beholden to define itself. The bogus Mass Tea party coalition is not defining itself. They are allowing the public and the media to assume their event is the same as other events int he past. Their own press releases and notices actually reference past rallies on the COmmon GBTP produced. So we will do what is necessary to draw a distinction. We did. They freaked. We defended. You can't have it both ways.

You want to ride my coattails, follow my rules. Otherwise, make your own way in the world.

And the tongue in cheek Bible reference is an effort towards all the fire and brimstone being pitched our way. Just because we won't repeat your assertion that all gays are going to Hell does not make us bad people. Quoting scripture at me is ridiculous. Challenging my faith, calling me a liar while quoting a liar, accusing me of doing what Brian, Rich and Carlos have done and (my all time favorite) calling me gay - as if there would be something wrong with that:) - justifies our overwhelming dread at having these homophobes saying they represent any element of the tea party.

Every time you guys speak, you reinforce what we have been saying all along. You are bad for business! No wonder the MassGOP banished you - which, of course, left the opening for the moderates and liberals. In fact, I'm going to go out on aline here and say what we're all thinking - get your copy and paste button ready -

I think you are the frauds. I think you work for Soros and are infiltrating the GOP and the tea party in order to make us all appear like angry old men so that Obama can win reelection. I think you've been working on the "inside" for the "other side" all along.

Hahahahaha! So stoopid!


[ Parent ]
Love your Seinfeld quote. Now, (0.00 / 0)
"You want to ride my coattails, follow my rules. Otherwise, make your own way in the world."

First of all, what coat tails? So now you are the queen of tea?

We will make darn sure people know it is not like "yours". Like you own Patriots Day to begin with or you own the Boston Common. Get over yourself. You remind me of Monica "you're not the boss of me". Where are you getting all gays are going to hell? See, you make things up as you go along.

I will definitely ask those 3 men if they really said that about you being gay. It doesn't matter if your gay or not, you still stick your nose where it doesn't belong.

Secondly, we don't want to follow you. That's the whole crux of the matter. You get bent out of shape when most all of the groups in this state either don't even care what you are doing or don't bow down to you and follow your mandates. Who the hell are you? We all happen to get along fine. You're the one with the problem.

We don't do "It's all about me. CV, all day, every day, all the time."

You are the one who causes all the friction between the groups in the state. None of the other groups even bother with you until you get on one of your rants against them because you aren't the center of attention. It must be tough with an admiration club of GBTP 7.

We don't care what you do, why should you care what anyone else does? You get mean spirited right away when you are not the be all and end all of everything TEA.

Guess what, we don't need you, nor do we want you.  We're doing fine on our own. Keep your nose in Ohio, let the little clan you left fall where it may.

And your assessment of the MassGOP is a tad askew. Smile, we're making progress without you in the state!

As for your copy and paste - have another glass of whine with that monterey jack.


[ Parent ]
As I said, (0.00 / 0)
the bogus org of three guys versus 40 tea party organizations has stated in their releases that they are holding an event just as has been done the last three years. That is riding the coattails of GBTP.

Your intentional failure to grasp nuance is predictable. This isn't about me. It has never been about me - except that Rich Howell and Brain Camenker want it to be me versus a whole organization because it's easier to demonize one person that thousands.

If you don't care what I (or what GBTP does) why all the fuss? Again, organization have to define and defend themselves all the time. We did what any responsible organization would do - we distanced ourselves from a disgraceful perversion of tea party sentiment. We had to because of the incompetence of Carlos and Rich. It is your allies that went on to personally attack any and all that spoke out against this. The vitriol directed at individuals has only proven our point about bigotry. FB is awash in it and it, thankfully, drawing a very clear distinction between you, the minority, and the rest of us.

If you can't take the responsibility for your decisions, you should probably leave political activism to the grown ups.

I've made my point, though, and it is resonating. If you want government to dictate to people you biblical beliefs and force them to live according to your idea on faith and morality, you are representative of  the tea party movement. You are a big government advocate at best and a bigot at worst.

Best of luck with the rally. I truly hope the LGBT protesters don't show. None of us need that on television or YouTube. Lord knows you're not a tolerant bunch. One shot of one angry old man screaming at a "defenseless kid" will haunt the tea party movement forever. I hope you all are prepared to monitor your acolytes - in order to live up to the historical figures and events you purport to honor.



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I'm a mixture of all of the above posts, finding both sides of the argument making solid, good points, and applaud all civil discourse.  That said, I think there are areas that fiscal conservatives would like to stay away from but cannot.  There is a blur in where the literal lines are in where social issues absolutely impact and influence the fiscal narrative so as to become fiscal issues, (unless you can overlook social issues costing in the hundreds of millions of dollars and more).  The most obvious of these is immigration, which to a large degree is social, but when the Supreme court comes down and says we MUST provide them healthcare, (which it did), and then there are the other inherent costs of educating, housing, etc., it is a huge fiscal issue, which beckons fiscal conservatives to address and perhaps even pursue and enforce laws on illegal immigration to mitigate the financial burden.  The same can be said regarding abortion whether it is not funding Planned Parenthood or addressing that we are all forced to pay for it through our healthcare.  And all in between there are the trojan horses like funding education from kindergarten on up so that we are inclusive of transgenders, gay marriage, etc. etc.

It is VERY hard to draw the line, even if you are sure where you stand, and then there are the more extreme views to reconcile.  Take, for example, Brian Canemaker who I do not agree with in some of his views, (but very much admire and respect his activism)? To try and put this is perspective with the overall fight confronting our country, I look to now, and back in history and see that ultimately a balance will be struck, but there are extremist from both sides of the aisle on almost everything from pets to green energy.  So what if there was NO MASS RESISTANCE, and only the very strong, powerful, and well funded other side to lobby for what they want?  I think that too is a scary prospect without those out there with their own extreme views to the contrary.  The Tea Party should find a way to bring and keep everyone into the same tent, with the express understanding that we don't all share, or support 100% of the same views.  Even if it has to be that there are gradations from one party to the next, we still need a way to stand together on the same issues that are agreed upon, because there is simply too much at stake to leave it to the devices of the ever growing number of those that just feed off of big government out of control.


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It is hard compartmentalize the issues confronting us. You really can't separate them. They are the same beast with many heads.

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yes you can. you can never in any situation solve all problems at the same time (5.00 / 1)


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Well we will all know soon enough (0.00 / 0)
By Sunday the media coverage will dictate whether Massachusetts Tea-Partiers are percieved as pugilists addressing the (No.1 concern of most voters), the Economy or Biology!

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since when do we rely on media for fair and balanced, let alone (0.00 / 0)
to resolve the issues.  Plan on the most liberal, dishonest and harmful spin.

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You are correct. (0.00 / 0)
That is why most of us will be pushing candidates for the house, the senate and a slew of local races across the state. That is what is most important in the scheme of things.

Events come and go. When you boil it down, all politics is local, then rises from there.


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K.I.S.S. (5.00 / 1)
It would be most unfortunate if the Tea Party Movement (already derided by kook left devotees as gap tooth bigots wearing tri-corner hats), were to become a muddled, incoherent rabble, as is the OWS crowd - trying to be and do a thousand things at once, all badly.

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would be most unfortunate

That ship sailed. However, there are still good groups to follow. GBTP will continue to follow policy in MA (lots of fans in the new class of R state reps at the State House) and at the Fed level and do our best to rally support for constitutional initiatives and rally opposition to everything else. (We do a lot of oppo work!)


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