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Senator Eldridge? He's the one who wanted to protect rapists right? Hold Please....

by: Rob "EaBo Clipper" Eno

Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 13:38:36 PM EDT


Protect Mass Children has come out with a web graphic in the style of those SomeECards that fill up your Facebook news feed.  It highlights Jamie Eldridge's vote against Melissa's Bill, and it's damn effective.  

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This new law will have terrible unintended consequences... (0.00 / 0)
...Eventually many of these habitual criminals will serve their full jail sentence on their 3rd offense.  Then what?  They leave prison with absolutely NO post-prison supervision.  The problem that created the tragedies that lead to Melissa's Bill was poor supervision by the Parole Board...so why is the solution to have people serve more time, but then have no supervision once they get out of jail.  As I have outlined I favor more jail time for habitual criminals, but not letting them walk free once they are done with their sentence.

Rob, tell me why it is a good idea to let a harden criminal leave jail without any supervision or ability to throw them back in jail for the smallest reason?  


Don't be silly. (0.00 / 0)
Letting hardened criminals out, and planning to put them back in if they act like hardened criminals, is bad planning.

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You're right. We should have capital punishment... (0.00 / 0)


We are headed for a 'Fiscal Cliff' and the country just elected a dope whose motto is 'Forward'.  

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You want to ignore reality. (0.00 / 0)
First, if you read my link, I favor longer and longer jail sentences for repeat offenders.  But you seem to ignore the reality that many of these criminals will get released.  Not in 3 years or 5 years...maybe ten years.  But after 10 years, we'll just let them walk free without any parole supervision?  That is crazy and that is a public policy that you are advocating.  Crazy.

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REALLY????? (0.00 / 0)
So, in dishonorable liar land, you have 2 scenarios........which one is better for society?

A). Child diddler serves 6 years of a 10 year sentence...then is released "for good bhagior" out into the public to diddle children 24/7 but has to go to counseling and meet his PO once a week until they get bored with him.

B). Child diddler serves 10 years of a 10 year sentence.

I'd say keeping the diddler away from society for another 4 years is better than allowing him to diddle kids for 4 extra years.   You say letting him out to diddle kids for 4 extra years is better.

Of course, I say kill the diddler and be done with him.

"I acknowledge having racist and classist and sexist feelings of white male superiority." -John Howard


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What better for society...? (0.00 / 0)
If you read my original post I linked to (and my comment above)...a 3rd time child molester gets an "enhanced" 15 yr sentenced (for the 3rd offense) does 10 years and then serves 5 years of in a parole system that works, instead of neglected (which this law does).  Although, I support lifetime probation for every first offenses that warrant a level 3 designation--that way, if they j-walk we can send them back to prison.

What is even better for society, in your scenario, is a parole system that works, so that we catch they screwing up while on parole the first time and throw them back in jail.

Your scenario B just lets that diddler go after 10 years, without any "stick" to throw them back in jail, until that commit another horrendous crime.  That is unacceptable.  


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Repeat offenders (0.00 / 0)
will diddle kids when they get out...watched or not...on probation or not...on parole or not...with a tracking device or not.  Havig to meet a PO Once a week or not.  Getting counseling or not.
ANY scenario that lets them out is unacceptable.  The longer they're in, the better for society.
Your super-effective parole system gets used twice with these scumbags. IT FAILED!!

KILL THEM

"I acknowledge having racist and classist and sexist feelings of white male superiority." -John Howard


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Are you for real Simple????? (0.00 / 0)
Eventually many of these habitual criminals will serve their full jail sentence on their 3rd offense.  Then what? Then what?  They leave prison with absolutely NO post-prison supervision

And once again Simple is more concerned about the criminal than the victims - past, present and future.  'Gee, we need to assign a lifetime attendant for these 3 time losers because no matter how many times we incarcerate them they keep committing violent crimes.'  Poor babies!!!



We are headed for a 'Fiscal Cliff' and the country just elected a dope whose motto is 'Forward'.  


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Your tiny mind can't understand... (0.00 / 0)
...that I'm concerned about public safety when we have hardened criminals lurking in public and society has no leverage against them (parole conditions) to throw them back in jail.  

When they start associating with other convicts, if they were on parole, we can send them back to jail.  But under the new law, we'll have to wait for them to commit crime, catch them and then throw them back in jail.  But your immense intellect can't grasp that concept.  


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Tell that (0.00 / 0)
to the kid they just raped on parole.

"I acknowledge having racist and classist and sexist feelings of white male superiority." -John Howard

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Don't be naïve, Simple. (0.00 / 0)
Your alleged fears will not be realized.

Governor Patrick only reversed course and signed that law because he was confident it was unconstitutional.

He didn't want the law.  He didn't want the compromise.  (Like you, he thinks kids are safer if third-time-convicted child molesters are on parole than if they are incarcerated.  By the third conviction, they will have been on parole at least twice previously, and still offending.  Betting the third time will work is, to use your term, "crazy").

There was a risk that the compromise would be constitutional (that it would allow judges a constitutionally sufficient degree of discretion).  To avoid that risk, he signed the law, thereby avoiding the compromise - it will take years for the law to be struck down, so it will be a long while before the Legislature revisits the question.  In the meantime, Governor Patrick has achieved an impressively cynical win.

Were it not for the oath the Governor took to support and defend our Constitution, it would have been a very good political move.


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D'oh! (0.00 / 0)
I haven't read the law, Malarkey - are you saying that after the 3rd strike sentence is served, there is NO POWER to impose probationary oversight?

Or are you guessing?


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post-release supervision (0.00 / 0)
Les Gosule, the Governor, Sen. Bruce Tarr and Rep Brad Hill all agree on one thing: the need for post-release supervision following release of habitual offenders who have served their full terms without parole.

Actually, that provision was in the original Senate bill, and was removed in conference committee by Rep. Gene O'Flaherty (D-Criminal Defense Lobby).  We hope to amend Melissa's Law in 2013 to add post-release supervision.
Stay updated on develpments at the Melissa's Law site:  http://3strikeslaw.blogspot.com/  


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