What the Hell!

Easy To Figure (0.00 / 0)

  I'm not aware of two of the other issues, ref the RTC issue it is fairly simple. We have a man employed by one of the two Republican Candidates creating false social media site purporting them to be something they are not, i.e. representative of the thoughts, opinions etc. of the people involved.
Compare that to your business, it has visibility in social media and the internet world and being successful, someone then takes your name, uses your image and likeness to promote their business, Would you be offended, outraged etc....what if that fake website/page for your entity, promoted their interests over yours. What if they never asked, what if you asked them by phone, in person, in email to remove that offending site, and they told you to  F *** off...What if they now, in a clear act of defiance were attaching their fake material bearing your corporate name, image or likeness to specific pages "liking" issues you have no interest in or want involvement with.  
If you would truthfully be annoyed, outraged etc. welcome to how the RTC in this town and at least 20 other towns (who have communicated with the Chair in Shirley) now feel. Some of these entities have NOT endorsed one candidate over the other, but want the opportunity to do so, without have it implied on a page impersonating that group.
Your ire (if I may suggest)  needs to be directed at a candidate and that candidates committee who when this issue was surfaced, rather than remove the page, became more arrogant, more deliberate and defiant by posting outright lies and claiming them to be quotes from members of the Town Committee?  
If you are still mad. Then I suggest you have not been the victim of identity theft, or the "R" in front of your name and the not wanting to cause any ill will blinds you to the facts.  Weaver and his "team" have had 2-3 weeks to remove this site and instead become more embolden assuming the Shirley RTC would not react, they were wrong!  They "think they have the right to post whatever they want, using whatever name they want, about anyone they want" ( Zazula so stated in a Lowell Sun Article, and to others.)  If you think it's not a big deal and it should wait  (that's what Weaver wrote in an email to the RTC Chairman  "lets discuss this after November 8th!)  respectfully it has not happened to you....yet  

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by: Bryan @ Mon Aug 20, 2012 at 12:16:24 PM UTC

Red MASS Group (0.00 / 0)

I don't disagree with what you've written, I agree wholeheartedly that this "is the most important election in a generation."  This is our Reagan/Carter moment.  

However, I will play Devil's Advocate with you for a bit.  This is Red MASS Group and whether we like the discussion or not, the Commonwealth - and not entire country - is what we can directly affect.  Even more so at the county/district & local level.

I could go to any number of blogs to read about & discuss national politics but I want to be rooted in what is going on here in Massachusetts down to the grassroots.  After all campaign activities like door knocking, phone banking, and media hits are even more meaningful and impactful the closer you get to home here in Mass.

Nothing is "wrong with these people" at least in terms of it being brought to daylight for discussion.  We may or may not like having to talk about these particular matters but they are particularly legitimate for our collective attention.

Whatever one thinks about the delegate situation & the caucuses, they are absolutely legitimate for us to discuss & debate.

A RTC taking the extraordinary action of suing a Congressional candidate is certainly worthy of our interest, even if the circumstances are lamentable.  

Indeed, those with personal interests in these endeavors certainly have to deal and grapple with what is before them and the happenings have rumblings and ramifications well beyond the mere personal.

There is nothing "petty" or "small ball" about what you tried to use as examples.  Rather, I'd argue that these matters are directly actionable whereas "A European welfare state or constitutional republic with limited federal government" is at a national level and grand scale far beyond what is personally actionable.  I agree with you that these issues are gravely important for us & our posterity but the fact remains that there is very little that either you or I can do as individuals to impact a meaningful change.

Now, as a group - a part or a movement - yes, there strength in numbers but still, unless we're driving up to New Hampshire to support Romney/Ryan with door knocking or phone banking (the latter of which can be done at Romney HQ in Boston), there really isn't much we can do.  Unless you have enough money to make a financial contribution of enough substance as to be truly impacting, there really isn't much that can be done.  Yes, calling talk radio or writing letters to the newspapers are good for or national issues, but they're even more helpful at the level of Scott Brown's re-election on down the ticket to our legislative candidates.

We can discuss, debate, bitch & moan about the vital national issues but we really can only directly control our destiny at the state & local level.

Do I believe that we can be distracted by events that are less than fortunate to focus upon?  Absolutely!  In that case, I totally am in agreement with you about what the bloody Hell are we wasting our time upon.  However, since those matters are before us, we must handle the tasks at hand.

These matters may be a pain in the ass but they are not unimportant.  I'd rather spend days fighting at my Town Meeting or hours upon hours laboring for State Rep & Senate candidates up to Scott Brown then get burned out beating my head against the wall while working myself up into a frenzy about those issues and circumstances where I can accomplish little to nothing.

If Massachusetts was a swing state I may have a slightly different perspective but at the end of the day we've got to stop focusing on he exciting national matters and put our shoulders solidly behind moving mountain before us at the state & local levels.

You're right, the decision on November 6 is incredibly important.  I will vote for & I've long supported Mitt Romney for President and now Paul Ryan for Vice President.  Let us constantly push conservatism at the top of the ticket & across the country.  At the same time, let us do so while paying attention to the crucial details here at home.

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by: BNCordeiro @ Tue Aug 21, 2012 at 00:09:11 AM UTC

two rogue nitwits (0.00 / 0)

If I were Weaver, I'd tell this guy to knock it off. He's on shaky ground.

But he's not "stealing" the other guy's "identity." That's determined by the committee democratically.

They both sound like semi-literate boobs.

Social media is worth very little to these races anyway. But if Weaver's committed to it, he should tell his guy to name his groups "Shirley Republicans for Weaver" or any other iteration. Using the name of the town committee is wrong - and this fella's pissed because the majority of his town committee won't support him.

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by: wavey @ Tue Aug 21, 2012 at 02:02:13 AM UTC

I believe (0.00 / 0)

the actual town committee supports Golnik....but Weaver's campaign set up a fraudulent Fb site that is in violation of the law......and the fake site clearly supported Weaver, not Golnik.

I laughed when the 'tard was boasting about how many "likes" his fake sites had....and saw that the likes were coming from the other fake sites he created.

What a tool.

"I acknowledge having racist and classist and sexist feelings of white male superiority." -John Howard

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by: ElectricStrawberry @ Tue Aug 21, 2012 at 03:26:15 AM UTC

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So the TC members (0.00 / 0)

and everyone else should go to the FB pages and litter the walls with "THIS SITE IS FAKE"

I might just go do it myself.

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by: wavey @ Tue Aug 21, 2012 at 12:21:56 PM UTC

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Admin (0.00 / 0)

poseur gets paid by Weaver to do this crap...he'd just take down the comments and disallow comments.

"I acknowledge having racist and classist and sexist feelings of white male superiority." -John Howard

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by: ElectricStrawberry @ Tue Aug 21, 2012 at 16:14:26 PM UTC

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I think a little clarification is needed. (5.00 / 2)

(Full disclosure: I am the Chairman of the Reading RTC.)

That being said, I am an absolute outsider. I don't have the ear of anyone "in power", whether on the State Committee, on Beacon Hill, or with candidates for local or national office. And I have absolutely no influence with anyone. What I am trying to do is get my committee to organize and participate more energetically in getting Republicans elected in this God-awful environment.

I am a fiscal conservative/social libertarian. (I don't care what you do with your life, I just don't want to have to pay for it.) With that philosophy, there are some things that I can't support. Price controls are one of them. I don't care what the compromise is that makes that palatable to some. It goes against the free market principles I believe are the foundation of any prosperity we hope to enjoy.

I can't get behind "having good working relationships" with the majority party in order to get a bone thrown our way every once in a while. They are perpetuating the raiding of the public treasury. They need to be ripped out root and branch. Will some "good" legislation somehow make its way through the morass? Yes, just like a blind squirrel sometimes finds a nut.

As any long-term Republican legislator should know, OUR policy agenda can't move forward without more Republicans. We end up with laws like the watered down EBT reform, or brand new healthcare oversite agencies. (I thought we were for reducing the size of state government?) The Senate Minority Leader knows the caliber of person running for Rep in his senate district. She's not an unknown. He has a strong following in his district. Wouldn't his supporters give a candidate with his vocal endorsement a strong look, and financial and grassroots support? I would think so.

As for the State GOP and its convention delegate selection process, that horse has been beaten within an inch of its life on RMG. I'm only bringing it up because of how it will play nationally and the effect it may have on the Convention and the perception of the Romney campaign. It certainly doesn't help the image.

And the RTC suing a congressional campaign just seems impossible to believe. What has that race devolved into that this even became necessary. (I've read all the posts here, so don't feel the need to respond. It was a rhetorical question.) If you think the Tsongas campaign isn't tickled to death with this development you're drunk. And that isn't going to help either one get elected.

With the fate of a nation on the line this year, it seems to this outsider that we've lost sight of the prize. In the efforts to win at the small ball, local crap, some are betraying the long-term needs of the state and the nation.

This was a post written out of frustration at the pettiness and personal power struggles that have been on display recently. Lets all start acting like we deserve to be in the game, and give the people of this state a real choice this fall. The Ryan pick makes that case at the national level. Why should there be any less of a choice at the state level?

G.O.P. Growth. Opportunity. Prosperity. For all Americans.

Karl (TLC)Weld

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by: TLCWeld @ Tue Aug 21, 2012 at 14:16:27 PM UTC

Thank you TLCWeld! (0.00 / 0)

That was perhaps the best written and well timed comment I have read on RMG in quite some time!

We are some 75 days from determing our fate as potentially a Socialist Country. We are essentially in "Crunch Time"!.

R's typically vote all R's and the D's vote all D's. and many Unenrolled voters are typically veiled R's and D's.

We need all Republicans and Unenrolled Conservatives to grasp that it doesn't matter for which level of Candidate the voters are going to the poll to vote for, the more that show up to vote for a Republican like Romney, Brown or your local Rep, the more likely they will vote for the other Republicans on the ballot. As they say, all Ships usually rise with the tide.

We ARE now in the home stretch and need harmony more then ever. If we are talking negatively about Romney/Ryan or any other Republican Candidate on a ballot (Missouri Senate candidates excluded), we are probably hurting other Republicans chances of victory as well.

Consequently between now and November 6th, every Fiscal and Social Conservative needs to recognize the common foe is Obama and his liberal democratic party candidates and focus our energies on defeating them and not each other.

This really could be the last Presidential election!

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by: billnick @ Tue Aug 21, 2012 at 16:45:04 PM UTC

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Influence (0.00 / 0)

(Full disclosure: I am the Chairman of the Reading RTC.)
That being said, I am an absolute outsider. I don't have the ear of anyone "in power", whether on the State Committee, on Beacon Hill, or with candidates for local or national office. And I have absolutely no influence with anyone. What I am trying to do is get my committee to organize and participate more energetically in getting Republicans elected in this God-awful environment.

Au contraire my friend, you do have influence with someone.  You have influence with your State Committee members.  At least you should.  My understanding is that you reside in the Middlesex & Essex district so your SC members are Al Turco & Brittany Carisella.  If you need it you can find their contact information at turco.massgop.com & carisella.massgop.com.  If for some reason you haven't met them yet then I'm sure they'd love to grab a cup of coffee or a bite to eat so that you all can discuss the needs of the Reading RTC.

I live quite a distance from you here in the far southeastern corner of the Commonwealth but if I can ever be of any assistance then please never hesitate to ask.  Several State Committee members read and blog here at RMG.

There is no need for anyone, much less a RTC chairman, to be an "absolute outsider" as "trying to do is get my committee to organize and participate more energetically in getting Republicans elected in this God-awful environment" is exactly what we're here to try to help you do.

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by: BNCordeiro @ Tue Aug 21, 2012 at 22:46:40 PM UTC

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What the hell is right! (0.00 / 0)

All of the petty power struggles and abuse of power is exactly why republican registration is at such pitifully low levels.  The Mass GOP had an opportunity to greatly increase active membership this year, but instead of embracing it they instead decided to disenfranchise hundreds of new republicans who had already proven that they were motivated and organized enough to win the majority of delegate slots.

These new recruits could all now be campaigning for liberty-friendly Republican candidates in Mass, but after the slimy tactics used by the sore-loser GOP establishment leaders, I'll bet most will re-enroll as Independent or Libertarian.  

Way to go MassGOP!  When Romney loses the election in November, which is the likely outcome, you can all say you did your part to make sure Obama got 4 more years, because you pushed Romney despite the will of the Caucus voters, who wanted someone who was both more conservative and was capable of winning more of the independent vote.

And don't say "the will of the people was Mitt Romney according to the primary vote", because that bull.  With the amount of media bias and propaganda coming out of the GOP about Romney being the "front-runner" even when he was losing every straw poll and polling in third behind Ron Paul and Barrack Obama, it's no wonder that regular voters who get all their information from TV would think that Romney was a valid choice despite all his obvious shortcomings.  If the GOP hadn't played favorites, and the media gave everyone fair coverage, then Ron Paul would have easily won the primary vote the same way he won the delegate vote.

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by: liberty_patriot @ Tue Aug 21, 2012 at 15:30:57 PM UTC

And the beat goes on.... (0.00 / 0)

This was a post written out of frustration at the pettiness and personal power struggles that have been on display recently.

I include the Paul supporters in this indictment too. What's done is done. Smarmy? Sure. Fine, take your ball home. But if you do, know that you are also responsible for 4 more years of Obama as well, if Romney loses.

Some things are bigger than all of us. I'd put the survival of the American Idea at the top of that list. If you're truly committed to your cause, you would still do all in your power to ensure an Obama defeat, regardless of what was done by the state party.

G.O.P. Growth. Opportunity. Prosperity. For all Americans.

Karl (TLC)Weld

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by: TLCWeld @ Tue Aug 21, 2012 at 15:50:37 PM UTC

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The fault isn't with Romney who pushed voters away? (0.00 / 0)

But with those voters who were pushed away and decide not to come back?

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"That it ceased to exist, I'll grant you, but whether or not it failed cannot be definitively said." - Metropolitan (1990)

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by: Patrick @ Tue Aug 21, 2012 at 17:53:01 PM UTC

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Both. (0.00 / 0)

But what is the paramount issue? Winning delegates for Ron/Rand Paul to influence the platform at the Convention or defeating Obama? I would posit that defeating Obama is the most important issue facing the electorate in a generation. If they're so pissed at the Romney crowd that they are willing to sit out this election, the most important in a generation, what does that say about their priorities. Wouldn't the better option be to say,"Well, we surely did get screwed. But priority #1 is making sure Obama doesn't win a 2nd term. Once we do our best to make sure of that, then we'll deal with those jokers back at the state party."

Obama is the enemy of all that we say we hold dear. He simply must be defeated. Anyone who keeps that from happening, either through action or inaction, should not be considered our friend in this fight.

G.O.P. Growth. Opportunity. Prosperity. For all Americans.

Karl (TLC)Weld

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by: TLCWeld @ Tue Aug 21, 2012 at 18:04:33 PM UTC

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If beating Obama was so paramount... (0.00 / 0)

Why treat the Ron Paul people like dirt?  Clearly, Romney doesn't need or want their help.

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"That it ceased to exist, I'll grant you, but whether or not it failed cannot be definitively said." - Metropolitan (1990)

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by: Patrick @ Tue Aug 21, 2012 at 18:19:31 PM UTC

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And Patrick (0.00 / 0)

these aren't just voters. They engaged activists. There's a huge difference.

G.O.P. Growth. Opportunity. Prosperity. For all Americans.

Karl (TLC)Weld

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by: TLCWeld @ Tue Aug 21, 2012 at 18:05:23 PM UTC

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"They're" engaged activists. (slow down, monkey) (0.00 / 0)

G.O.P. Growth. Opportunity. Prosperity. For all Americans.

Karl (TLC)Weld

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by: TLCWeld @ Tue Aug 21, 2012 at 18:06:02 PM UTC

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*were* engaged activists (0.00 / 0)

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"That it ceased to exist, I'll grant you, but whether or not it failed cannot be definitively said." - Metropolitan (1990)

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by: Patrick @ Tue Aug 21, 2012 at 18:16:40 PM UTC

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Which (0.00 / 0)

says more about them and their priorities.

G.O.P. Growth. Opportunity. Prosperity. For all Americans.

Karl (TLC)Weld

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by: TLCWeld @ Tue Aug 21, 2012 at 18:52:09 PM UTC

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Yep....they (0.00 / 0)

...and by "they" I mean "y'all"...y'all took your ball and went home.

"I acknowledge having racist and classist and sexist feelings of white male superiority." -John Howard

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by: ElectricStrawberry @ Tue Aug 21, 2012 at 19:17:20 PM UTC

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BTW (0.00 / 0)

if we challenge and defeat more of these incumbents from the majority we wouldn't have to forge working relationships (and the compromises that go with that) with them, regardless of how nice they are and how pleasurable they are to work with. Know why? Because they wouldn't be there. Someone that believes what we believe in would.

G.O.P. Growth. Opportunity. Prosperity. For all Americans.

Karl (TLC)Weld

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by: TLCWeld @ Tue Aug 21, 2012 at 17:42:09 PM UTC

On the GOP: (0.00 / 0)

"If the GOP could think tactically, it would be dangerous. If it could think strategically, it would be a majority party." -Michael Walsh

G.O.P. Growth. Opportunity. Prosperity. For all Americans.

Karl (TLC)Weld

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by: TLCWeld @ Tue Aug 21, 2012 at 20:40:42 PM UTC

Chairman of the Reading RTC (0.00 / 0)

ROCKS.  Onward to victory.

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by: Term Limits @ Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 03:18:10 AM UTC