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Elizabeth Warren's Trust Issue

by: gary

Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 11:14:48 AM EDT


(More on Travelers - promoted by Rob "EaBo Clipper" Eno)

As pointed out, the Travelers connection appeared quite effective for Senator Brown.  Let's look at the Travelers connection to Ms. Warren.

As general background, Johns Manville, manufacturer of many asbestos products, was being sued beginning in the 60s by employees for asbestos related deaths and injury.  

It's primary insurer for product liability was Travelers.  Johns Manville went Chapter 11 in the 80s and as part of the bankruptcy proceedings, the Manville Trust was formed that pays legal fees and settlement even today.

Enter Travelers, on the hook for product liability insurance payouts for asbestos injury.  

gary :: Elizabeth Warren's Trust Issue
Travelers added $80 Million to the Manville trust then further agreed to pay $450 million for future claims.  In exchange, Travelers limited its total exposure to the $500-$600 million.  

The problem with that deal is that the Chubb Group envisioned that upon the exhaustion of Travelers $500 million, or even before, plaintiffs would next turn to Chubb and Chubb would be unable to seek contribution or indemnity from Travelers because of Travelers $500 Million cap.

Then the real fun began. Decisions from the courts concluded that first, Travelers was indeed off the hook because the Bankruptcy court said so and second, that Chubb was indeed able to pursue suits against Travelers.  

Big loss for Travelers, right?  Wrong.

The court said that Travelers bargained for closure at the cost of $500 million and since it didn't in fact receive closure, Travelers didn't have to pay the $500 million.  BTW, Chubb, to this day has not proceeded against Travelers for anything.

But on the bright side for the asbestos victims.  Wait, there is no bright side.  Travelers 1, Asbestos victims 0.

Enter Elizabeth Warren. She worked for Travelers.  Elizabeth Warren on her escapades:

"The issue I was focused on like a laser was the constitutionality of preserving the trust, because the trust is a critical tool for making sure that people who've been hurt have a fair shot at compensation," she said. "Without it, millions of people who've already been injured will get nothing, and millions more in the future will get nothing."

Get that?  Warren claims that Travelers hired her to help Travelers to pay more money to victims.

Travelers:  Hi Elizabeth, we need some help here.  We can't figure out a way to pay more money.  Can you help us?

EW:  Sure, here's a start.  Pay me a quarter of a million.

Travelers:  Genius, off to a great start.  Do more!

EW:  Ok, sure.  Someday, I'll run for Senate, then I'll really soak you.

So, what about those trusts?

Well, first, who really knows.  The secrecy of the spending from those trust is reknown.

Here are my criticisms of the Trust Funds.  Oh, who am I kidding, no one cares about my criticisms.  Let's look at then Senator Edward Kennedy's criticisms:

At the beginning of this markup several weeks ago, I identified ten areas in which this legislation was seriously deficient - both unfair and unworkable. Unfortunately, none of those problems have been corrected. Amendments have been offered to address many of the deficiencies. Unfortunately, they have been rejected. As a result, what we have before us today is an Asbestos Trust Fund that excludes many seriously ill victims from receiving compensation and that fails to provide a guarantee of adequate funding to make sure the victims who are eligible will actually receive what the bill promises them.

In summary, worst case, she was complicit to join with Travelers to deprive claimants of $500 million. Best case, she was naively motivated to preserve the sanctity of asbestos trusts for the same victims, the same broken trusts that Kennedy et al were seeking to reform.

My question for Professor Warren is this:  does she support Senator Quayle's FACT act to reform the asbestos trusts which even the late Senator Kennedy pointed out were broken.  And as an aside, does she regret the work she did for Travelers that resulted in a deal to deprive thousands of victims from compensation.  A rigged system indeed.

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You guys really think this will stick? (0.00 / 0)
Way to arcane and complicated for a low-info swing voter to pay more than a nano-second on it.

Then simplify (0.00 / 0)
Elizabeth Warren worked for a large insurance company to scam dying asbestos victims out of $500 million.  There!

Elizabeth Warren: a bankruptcy professor, bankrupt of ideas

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Re: Not exactly... (0.00 / 0)
Except that's not what really happened.  

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So What (0.00 / 0)
Simple pointed out that the argument was too arcane for today's swing vote.  SO a more simplified approach was proffered, one which sticks and then needs a defense which, in the words of Simple, is arcane.  Bingo, swing voters lost.

You're left arguing that is not exactly what happened and to do so you need to argue technicalities.  Good luck.


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Warren's defenders (0.00 / 0)
Doug Rubin, in spin control explains that "but, but she was really doing good stuff with Travelers, see, here's a union boss and a Plaintiffs' lawyer who says so.

Any chance we'll hear from a victim who received $10K or so for his asbestos death sentence?  Any mesotheleoma victims for warren out there?

Lawyers love the trust funds as much as insurance companies.  Victims, not so much.

Nothing wrong mind you with supporting business, but she's just blowing smoke to say she was working for Travelers to help the victims. Unadulterated bull shit.

Elizabeth Warren: a bankruptcy professor, bankrupt of ideas


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Yeah, exactly (0.00 / 0)
That's exactly what happened.

As I pointed out here, the lawyers did fine]

The books of the Manville Trust show $219.5 million in available cash. Its only new income due before the end of next year is $7.6 million. Where is that money going?

According to court papers, the trust has set aside $30 million in liability insurance for its executives and $76.4 million for its lawyers. It plans $27.5 million for operating expenses. Total projected expenses through most of next year are $133.9 million, leaving $93.2 million to pay the $112.8 million in settled claims (it is running a deficit of $19.6 million).

This does not signify that the sick or families of the deceased will see all $93.2 million. Plaintiffs' lawyers are collecting between a third and 40 percent of the amounts victims get from the trust, though in most cases theydo little more than submit clients' medical and work records to the trust. Using an average of 36.5 percent to calculate lawyer fee, the plaintiffs' lawyers can expect to receive an additional $34 million.

This means that of the $227.1 million in available cash, the victims who filed years ago will receive about $59 million. That amount, from which thousands of victims must be compensated, is only about double the reserves the trust has set aside to protect a handful of its own executives from potential liability.

To be clear, the ONLY reason to set up a trust is to fund the liability so the business can go about its business.  At the onset, notice that the trust was already funded with more than enough to pay for current victims.  The $500M was for the 1) future lawsuits 2) lawyers 3) execs running Johns Manville and the trust.

The scam is this:  fund the trust with enough money so the court thinks it's "fair and equitable" and the lawyers get their 33%.  Then, when the trust runs out of cash, lament the poor victims.

The current victim's trusts are a sham.  That's why there continuing legislation for remedy, but the Plaintiff's attorney don't want that.

The fair thing for the victims would have been to say to Travelers: sorry pal, you're on the hook for the injuries your insurance was intended, all of them, no limmits.

Howeever, courts and companies don't want that because it could really weaken insurance companies.  Warren's representation was pro-insurance arguing for a Trust that benefits victims a little, big business a lot. And how do I know that?  Because Travelers paid her handsomely.  Travelers wanted the name of a Harvard professor on the legal Brief.  Frankly, I think the trusts are a good idea, but they are principally for the benefit of business and lawyers--not so much for victims.

Scam.

Scam for insurance companies, and scam for plaintiffs attorneys.  


Elizabeth Warren: a bankruptcy professor, bankrupt of ideas


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What a Phony ! (0.00 / 0)
Okay, the point here is that Prof Warren (aka Liawatha) is blathering on about fighting for the little guy against big corporations who have rigged the system, yet she represented Travelers -- a huge corporation -- in shall we say "limiting" their exposure.  Oh, and she now regrets it (?) --- but not the pay she received.

Even in Massachusetts, this is pathetically hypocritical.  She has misrepresented her ancestry, misrepresented her background and committed plagiarism.  How much more do we need to discount and discard this fraud !  

Oh and-- BTW --- $350K from Harvard (another big corporation) to teach one class !  Methinks she likes big corporations much more than she admits.  Pathetic !


Harvard that Big Tax Exempt Corporation (0.00 / 0)
With a 25 Billion dollar endowment. If they paid taxes - they might not be able to pay their professors 350K a year.

 


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Good Point (0.00 / 0)
How about the next time she mentions subsidies for Big Oil someone retort what about subsidies for Big Academia?

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Trust funds (0.00 / 0)
BTW, if interested, here's a completely non-political explanation of the asbestos biz, noting the effect that trust funds have: to reduce victims' awards.

Elizabeth Warren: a bankruptcy professor, bankrupt of ideas

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Cudos ConsEph ! (0.00 / 0)
I don't know how one would artfully make the comparison, without some blowback about "shilling for Big Oil" but I think the compariosn is apt, to say the least.  I know domestic oil productions way more important for the middle class than the continued growth of Harvard !

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