Evan Kenney on Rachel Maddow talking MassGOP caucuses

Unforgiveable harm to the party (2.25 / 4)

Anyone who would go on this nasty liberal show, nevermind say "it is an honor to be here", to participate in an interview that makes the party look terrible, is not a Republican in any meaningful sense of the word. (He even emailed them to tell them the story!!!!!)

He called the leadership of "his" Republican party "corrupt" on national television. Wow. I could think of a lot of things he could have said instead of that word. ("weak", "disorganized", "out of touch") But corrupt?

It doesn't matter that it was the party that nailed him. Once you do something like this to harm the party, you're out. It doesn't even matter if you're justified. You decided to do more damage than any non-candidate could have possibly done to the party. And this from a kid who had the nerve to say that "he" is the "real Republican party" at the age of 18? Really? Already? You and not all the great volunteers at RTCs all over the state who support the party more than any individual, while you support one individual  (Ron Paul) over the party?

Mr. Kenney - you reached out to Ms. Maddow so you could feel important. She used you to make the party look bad, even hiding her hatred for your leader, Ron Paul, to make you feel more comfortable.

I hope you enjoyed yourself. You have had your 9 minutes of fame. You will always be the guy who called Rachel Maddow so you could label the party "corrupt" on national television. Even if it is corrupt, that wasn't the way to deal with it.  

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by: edfactor @ Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 10:38:33 AM UTC

Ed (5.00 / 3)

Wow, you watched that video and got that impression?  How was Kenney supposed to deal with it. Shut up while his rights were being violated by his party.  

I'm sorry Ed, I felt a little dirty watching Maddow as well, but you know what, a select handful of people in Party leadership are responsible for this, not Evan Kenney.  

I thought he was a very calm, poised, articulate young face for our party, who did not back down on his conservative credentials.  

Why do you support our party doing bad things, just because they are our party?  My principles trump party every day of the week.

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by: Rob "EaBo Clipper" Eno @ Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 10:44:28 AM UTC

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You know me (3.00 / 3)

Rob -

I think anyone who knows me knows that I come out against Republicans, our party, and our media whenever I think it is the right thing to do. I respect others who would do the same, constructively. (For example, I didn't like how the delegate thing happened at all.)

If this kid wanted to make a case for reforming the MassGOP, fine. He could have written an essay online. Formed a Facebook group. Gone on the nightly news. Posted a passionate manifesto here. Talked to Jim Braude or Emily Rooney.

But he called one of our worst enemies to go on her show and make the party look bad. That's way over the line.  

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by: edfactor @ Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 10:57:56 AM UTC

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He emailed someone (5.00 / 1)

who was covering the story to give his point of view  She had already covered the story on June 26.  If he had not gone on, she'd still be reporting, erroneously, that Charlie Baker "stole" Kenney's spot.  Kenney set that record straight, as the first thing he did.  

You do criticize the party, but it's seemingly always the non-establishment wing of the party.  The ones who want to shake the status quo.  

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by: Rob "EaBo Clipper" Eno @ Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 11:00:52 AM UTC

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I do criticize the establishment (5.00 / 1)

How about this?

1. They are hopelessly disorganized. They are weak.

2. They use 1990s-style technology (ever visited the Merrimac Street office?).

3. They are too old. Too white. Too male. Too conservative.

Mr. Kenney should never have emailed her. It doesn't matter that she would have given a wrong report, it isn't his job to oversee her. She isn't even interested in the truth! She is interested in harming the party, as she has shown many times.

He should have known that in a national venue, this was about harming the party, not reforming the MassGOP. If he went on Emily Rooney's show, the MassGOP would have been the issue. But 90% of Maddow's viewers are not from this state, and therefore this was a "aren't Republicans stupid?" story. This should have been kept at a state level.

I am so glad he won't be giving interviews to MSNBC in Tampa. He, ironically, actually makes the decision to bounce him look better. I didn't think that was possible.

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by: edfactor @ Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 11:07:43 AM UTC

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You are as lame as some lefties who scream when someone... (0.00 / 0)

...goes on Fax News.  You have more in common with those lefties than you care top admit.

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by: Simple J. Malarkey @ Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 22:29:04 PM UTC

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Festus please! This is a family matter! (0.00 / 0)

Molon Labe

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by: Republican Ram Rod Radio @ Wed Jul 11, 2012 at 01:23:42 AM UTC

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Yo Yum Yum Head (5.00 / 1)

Fuck off. Your word is worthless here. Any man that does not own up to his debt is not a man! At least go to a female handle.

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by: billxi @ Wed Jul 11, 2012 at 02:21:16 AM UTC

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Yeah Bill ! That was awesome! (0.00 / 0)

Molon Labe

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by: Republican Ram Rod Radio @ Wed Jul 11, 2012 at 13:05:00 PM UTC

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The Ed Factor (3.50 / 2)

Ed,

Evidently you believe that throwing ballots in the trash and overturning elections is less damaging than exposing the truth, regardless of the setting. What of Kenney's words did you find so damaging to the republican party? Did you miss all of the kind words he had to say about Charlie Baker and Richard Tisei? Not once did he trash the party, only the actions committed by the elite few, who act like Stalinist thugs.

You sir are what some would call a RINO, but that is too kind. You are void of any principles.

Sincerely,

JDVena

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by: JDVena @ Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 12:40:26 PM UTC

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I don't mind the subject matter at all (4.50 / 2)

Mr. Vena -

I don't mind him talking about what happened. What happened is important! I personally thought that the Ron Paul people were not really who should be representing us at the convention, and I was sympathetic to the MassGOP for wanting them bounced. (Though I didn't like the tactics. I think they could have dealt with these people on an individual basis.)

If Mr. Kenney wanted to post something here or go on a neutral show to protest this, fine. But to go to our enemies is unforgiveable.

If you want to call me a RINO for that, I don't care. You're just another name-calling anonymous person on RMG.  

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by: edfactor @ Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 12:57:51 PM UTC

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Call a spade a spade (5.00 / 1)

Ed,

I never like to use name-calling but how can you not call yourself a RINO? Have you read the republican oath? On what line does it say, "Hide the truth if it hurts the party?" The MassGOP would like this issue to die and despite efforts by RMG and other media outlets to influence the MassGOP to behave honorably, they have yet to do so.

To what degree should a vicious assault on liberties and the democratic process of elections be alowed if no one else is going to talk about it. Michael Graham's article last week was a decent piece about the situation, yet on his radio show the day of the article, he announced that he had already committed enough to the subject of election fraud. What?! It may have been the first time since he has been on the air that he elected or was forced to not discuss this issue.

What will we do without fair elections? How are we to go after the democrats to enforce voter ID registration if we are the ones throwing ballots in the trash? People like Ron Kaufman,Vince "Green Jobs" DeVito, Jeanne Kangas and Matt Sisk are the true cancer of the party. We will never grow the party and preach limited, constitutional government by allowing this story to die and these RINOs to remain in their positions.

With your attitude, it may be likely that people pass of republicans this cycle and continue to invest in the failed policies of the democrats. As Glenn Beck sasy, "The truth has no agenda." You are skeptical of the truth because the ends don't justify the means in your eyes. But remember this, it will be the fault of people like yourself that will allow this state and country for that matter, to collapse on its face and miss out on our chance to restore liberty and the country.

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by: JDVena @ Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 15:46:22 PM UTC

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Post Script (0.00 / 0)

Ed,

I will add that the MassGOP has had ample opportunity to do the right thing and follow the rules that we delegates and alternates followed in the delegation process. For over 1 month they could have said, "Let's count the votes and follow the rules." Their plan is to let themselves bleed out until their credibility is ultimately destroyed. Why? I can't explain.

We have been more than reasonable and the MassGOP continues to choose the path of self destruction. The Pavlovian effect simply hasn't worked for them. We shall not stop and we will go to Tampa, win our seats back, respresent the people of Massachusetts and vote for Romney on the first ballot.

And although no one should know me, other than my friends, family and people that voted for me, I am not anonymous. My RMG ID name, JDVena, is very similar to my actual name, J.D. Vena and I have no reason to be afraid to use it anywhere.  You or the MassGOP on the other hand, should probably use a moniker of some kind. Perhaps 'VoterFraudAintSoBad' or something along those lines.

J.D. Vena

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by: JDVena @ Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 16:23:40 PM UTC

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We're not talking about the same thing (0.00 / 1)

Mr Vena -

First, I am glad to see that you use your real name here. That's a good thing. (I didn't know that, as you did not make this clear in your RMG user profile.) There is too much anonymous trolling here.

Why would you call me a RINO? You know nothing about me. Perhaps I am a life-long Republican who has a long list of credentials going back 25 years.

I care deeply about the Republican party. I live in an heavily-liberal community where I constantly defend our party. I serve on the RTC (called a Ward in Boston) and I want very much for the party to be stronger. I don't need a "moniker" as everyone that matters in the party already knows me. I have nothing to hide. I would say this: "Who the *!@#&#* are you?" Are you on an RTC? Do you work for a campaign? Do you donate to the party? Or do you just have a really boring job and vent on RMG instead of actually doing something useful?

I thought the delegate stuff was an utter fiasco. I think the Paul people had ill intent, I think the MassGOP overreacted, and it showcased the utter weakness of the party. (Note that where the party was strong, like in Attleboro, the Paul people lost.) If you want to criticize the MassGOP for how it handled the delegate mess, go right ahead. I have no problem with that.

My point (which I guess you missed) is that not every reaction to the delegate thing is acceptable. Rachel Maddow hates Republicans with every fiber in her being. She hates Ron Paul also. To go on her show to air your problems with the party is absolutely terrible. She wants nothing but the demise of our party. I guess you (and Rob Eno) don't know her feelings.

But you don't want to even address that. You just want to talk about the original sin, not what the 18-year-old did about it - which was to get himself on television. That is what I objected to.

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by: edfactor @ Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 17:11:29 PM UTC

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Ed's right. (0.00 / 0)

Rachel Maddow's show? Why not just  take the story to The Washington Post? They've demonstrated very aptly how intertwined they are with the Obama re-election effort. Coordinated attacks on Romney with the Obama campaign. It's not the message. It's the vehicle for the delivery of the message. Why would you give the opposition a bullet to shoot back at you?

If the goal is to beat Obama, giving Rachel Maddow this interview will not help bring about that result. But, as in the other post about what's happening in Nebraska, maybe that goal is secondary to another goal.

I want to return to our limited-federal-government, republic of sovereign states bound by our Constitution and founding principles as much as anyone. The first step on that path is making sure this administration serves one term. Anything that derails us or distracts us from that result is detrimental to that ultimate goal.

By all means, Liberty slate supporters, make your case. Make your case to RTCs and RCCs. Make your case to me and other registered Republicans and Unenrolleds. Build your support (for Rand Paul or whomever in 2016 and beyond), but for the sake of everything we hold dear, don't hang our dirty laundry on Rachel Maddow's cloths line.

G.O.P. Growth. Opportunity. Prosperity. For all Americans.

Karl (TLC)Weld

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by: TLCWeld @ Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 17:39:48 PM UTC

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Not really Sovereign states (0.00 / 0)

You want a return to the Articles of Confederation period? The states were sovereign for 13 years after the Revolution, until the ratification of the Constitution in 1789 that established the United States of America as a sovereign nation, and subsumed the states as "the several states" under the authority of the federal government. There was no Constitution during the period of sovereign states. The federal government was not one of "limited power" though most power and governance was reserved to the states to be responsible for. But you can't have a government of limited power, or set against itself, as much as libertarians want that dysfunction, it is simply a denial of reality, where there is rightly an earthly sovereign government that governs every piece of land and every person and no one is above or outside the law, rightfully.

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by: John Howard @ Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 18:41:50 PM UTC

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Who is missing the boat here? (0.00 / 0)

Ed,

You sound like you really like being part of the republican party. That's really nice.

But you are just as bad as the MassGOP. "I still think the Paul people had ill intent." Seriously, what kind of fascist are you? Who are you to make assumptions about a future act? Are you a thought police fascist or just someone that likes to defend sore losers that you will blindly stand by corrupt leaders because they are YOUR leaders?

Who am I? I'm a newly registered republican. Does that count? Or do I have to be registered a full year before I can criticize tyranny and electon fraud? I am adult elected alternate delegate of district 3. I am a member of the Methuen RTC. I have donated 1000s of dollars to republican candidates, to the National Asociation of Gun Rights, Campaing For Liberty, National ProLife Alliance. I would have been volunteering for Jon Golnik had I not been fighting the MassGOP, who has made it clear that they don't like me. It is their choice to not like me and 1000s of other liberty minded grassroots republicans. But payback can be a painful reality and come November, if the republican don't win important office seats you can wonder, "I don't understand

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by: JDVena @ Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 18:09:40 PM UTC

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continued (0.00 / 0)

..how this could have happened. You don't have to tell me how MSNBC constantly mispresents the truth, but even a dead clock gets it right twice a day. One of these days you will get it. I'm sure.

JD Vena  

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by: JDVena @ Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 18:14:17 PM UTC

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A few more words for Mr. Vena (0.00 / 0)

I have a few more minutes, so I wanted to say some more things:

1. You have been a Republican for about 10 minutes. Yet you decided to call me a Republican in Name Only for defending the party I have belonged to for 22 years. No real Republican would attack a fellow Republican like that for merely defending the party, even if they disagreed with his reasons.

2. Your first act as a Republican should probably not be to be a delegate to the national convention when you don't support the nominee. It's not that it is illegal, but it just is disrespectful. Your second act should not be to go to war with that party because your scheme didn't work out as planned. You could have showed grace and some party loyalty - if you really wanted to be Republican - but you use words like "tyranny" immediately. Wow. Looks like the MassGOP was right about who you guys really are.

3. You called me a fascist twice in one post. What a great debater you are.

4. Jamison found out you were absolutely, positively lying about donations "thousands of dollars" just so you could sound important here. (don't give me this crap about all your donations being legit. They would be in the online system. Or you broke the law and gave illegal contributions to people. Are you admitting breaking the laws here? Can I call the attorney general's office and report you? And yes, everyone uses that system to look people up.)

Lastly, I know that you're not really a Republican who will be around very long. Not with your attitude. (Who would want to work with you?) So I don't give a damn what you think of me. I will be here working for the party long after you have lost interest.

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by: edfactor @ Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 00:28:05 AM UTC

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Ed Factor Answer These Questions Please (0.00 / 0)

1) Should votes of registered republicans be counted?  If not what are the circumstances for which not to count them?

2) Should a candidate's campaign or a committee overturn duly elected officials by breaking their own rules?

3) Do you believe that the press has the right to cover such blatant abominations?  And if they don't, who shall hold their feet to the fire, if RINOs like yourself only care about protecting the interests of the establishment?

4) Do you even believe in upholding the Constitution?

5) Does truth have an agenda?

6) Are you even 22 years old?

I'm embarrassed for you because you probably answered these questions the way Matt Sisk or Jeanne Kangas would have answered them.  Your comments and points are so infantile, that I can't even laugh at you.

Let's get one thing straight, whether I have been a registered republican for 10 minutes or 10 years, I am a freedom-loving American first.  I believe that humans were born with natural rights. These rights weren't given to us by men or a government.  

I am a republican because I believe in a republican representative form of government that protects government from squelching our natural rights that are protected by our Constitution. I have never voted for anyone but a republican candidate. But unlike you, if a member of the party or a government official decides to overturn elections, throw ballots in the trash and appoint their crony friends and you don't believe in going after these people, you need to question your principles. You aren't just a RINO, you are UN-AMERICAN!  Plain and simple.  Do you even like the idea of America?  

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by: JDVena @ Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 00:56:45 AM UTC

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I'm done with you. :-) (5.00 / 1)

Enough said.  

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by: edfactor @ Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 01:11:19 AM UTC

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Tell me more (0.00 / 0)

I am a freedom-loving American first.  I believe that humans were born with natural rights. These rights weren't given to us by men or a government.

So you wanted to be a delegate at the Republican convention in order to influence the platform, right? In what way do you want to influence it, specifically? Does the Liberty Caucus have a website where their platform suggestions are listed?

And, do you believe that "natural rights" include a right to IVF, or artificial wombs, or a right to reproduce with modified genes or lab-created gametes, or with someone of the same sex? Have you ever thought about these things?

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by: John Howard @ Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 04:48:52 AM UTC

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Natural Rights (0.00 / 0)

Hi John,

Yes, we do have a website and I strongly encourage you to visit www.malibertycaucus.com.

As for Natural Rights, I think you would be better served reading the writings of Thomas Jefferson and John Locke. Natural rights have to do with what we as human beings have by just being human. The right to express yourself, the right to defend yourself, the right to your property, essetially the right to swing your fists until it hits someone in the nose. I believe in the protection of liberty, so long as it doesn't cause harm or fraud to another's person or property. This would also mean that I believe abortion is the destruction of one's life and liberty. All life and liberty should be protected unless an individual decides to violates anothers. Do you agree ith that?

As for the platforms I would most strongly support, it would be to audit the Federal Reserve, which devalues and destroys our money's purchasing power. That is on majoy reason why I support Jon Olnik for congress (district 3). I would also hope to put an end to unconstitutional wars. Th War on Terror has done nothing to protect our rights and property. It has been used to regulate our lives and in many cases, kill or displace millions of others. This was never the intentions of our Founders.

The DOI and the Constitution were written to keep the government off the people's backs. The republican party must stand for these principles if we are to retain our rights nd promote liberty.

John

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by: JDVena @ Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 14:34:48 PM UTC

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OK but (0.00 / 0)

Thanks, so "audit the Fed" and "stop funding undeclared wars" OK. Those seem like good ideas regardless of what party is in power, but I can see how the convention marks a good time to raise awareness of them. But they seem a better fit for the Democrat platform, don't they?

And I asked you if you felt "natural rights" included same-sex reproduction, genetic engineering of children, artificial wombs, and things like that. They certainly don't occur in Nature, so there is certainly no right to do them, right? And experimentation on human life ought to raise your alarm regarding abortion and protecting helpless people's liberty. But I worry that you might see a ban on genetic engineering and same-sex reproduction as government interference in people's liberty. So which is it? Come on, don't be afraid to share your thoughts.

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by: John Howard @ Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 17:17:40 PM UTC

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Democrat Platforms?? (0.00 / 0)

Big government and nationalism, in my opinion do not fall under a republican platform. Unconstitutional wars and inflating the currency, by definition are big government actions. They steal our property and take lives.  The collapse of the Roman Empire happened this very way.  We can't afford to police the world at $650 billion a year and we can't allow the Fed to set interest rates, bail out reckless banks and inflate the currency.

These are the main platforms we would like to influence at the Tampa Convention.  They are huge initiatives and should help our country and the world for that matter, in getting us back on track to going about our every day lives wondering whether we will have jobs and food to be put on the table.  These measures are what all Mass Liberty Caucus delegates believe.

Please explain how these are a better fit for the democratic party when they are the biggest offenders of wars and devaluing our dollar.  I sure wish is were part of their platform but more than likely, the democrats will not go along with either effort.

As for the other topics you mention, I'm not familiar with same-sex reproduction, nor do I see government's role in it. I am never for government funding of any projects. The government's job isn't to be venture capitalists, despite whether or not they are well intended ventures. I don't see the need for the government stopping genetic reproduction as long as it doesn't come at the expense of taking an unborn life in the process.

If these experiments involve killing innocent life, then the government should get involved. Roe vs. Wade should also be repealed.  And the government has no business telling who you should marry. Certainly legal age limits should be required but as far as I'm concerned, it makes no difference if one marries a rake.

JD

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by: JDVena @ Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 22:26:51 PM UTC

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Ah, a Libertarian Transhumanist uncovered! (0.00 / 0)

"I'm not familiar with same-sex reproduction, nor do I see government's role in it."

The government's role is to prohibit it and fine and jail anyone involved in attempting to create children that way, so that people remain created Equal. It doesn't matter who funds it, it is a violation of human dignity and would be terrible public policy to allow.

I can assure you that early experiments in human same-sex reproduction will require experimenting on human embryos and will probably result in abortion of fetuses as well. I am sure that no clinic would agree to implant an experimental embryo unless they know the surrogate will agree to abort the baby if it is not developing properly. That's what they insist on with IVF too, though sometimes someone like Octomom rebels against the doctors and refuses to abort the babies in her womb. But usually, when the IVF doctors say "uh-oh, this fetus is not developing normally, we should try again" the patients agree, having already bought into the materialist mindset when they decided to hire a lab to make them a baby.

At any rate, even if they promised not to abort any of the embryos they make from genetically modified artificial gametes, even if that were illegal, it would still be very unethical to do and bad public policy to allow it.

"I don't see the need for the government stopping genetic reproduction as long as it doesn't come at the expense of taking an unborn life in the process. "

As I suspected, you are a Libertarian Transhumanist, you think genetic engineering of human beings should be allowed, you put your libertarian principles above all others and, even though you haven't thought about it much, you say we shouldn't stop genetic engineering of human beings. That is a stupid application of stupid short-sighted principles, though I am hoping that you are smart enough to see the long term consequences and develop a less constrained dogmatic stance.

If we allow labs to start making genetically engineered babies, and allow same-sex couples to hire labs to make offspring for them, we are going to have regulate it and pay for poor people to do it. It will become a huge entitlement, and will result in losing natural procreation rights (which would quickly be seen as more risky and unfair to the child than having their genes improved by scientists.) If you are pro-life and for small government, you should oppose letting people make human beings any other way than joining a man's sperm and a woman's egg.

As to the platform planks, perhaps the ideas would resonate better with a moderate middle of both parties than with the party faithful. Why can't Rep Paul get a majority for such benign and beneficial bills right now?

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by: John Howard @ Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 23:50:32 PM UTC

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Sounds Crazy (0.00 / 0)

I'm no Libertarian transhumanist and based on your description of the process of genetic engineering, I'm completely opposed to it.  

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by: JDVena @ Mon Jul 16, 2012 at 23:26:42 PM UTC

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Do you think it should be legal? (0.00 / 0)

Is this one of those "I'm personally opposed" type of answers? I hope not, because you say you want to repeal Roe v Wade so that means you aren't afraid to say some things should not be legal. And this is one of them, for the same reason - the person being aborted or experimented on has rights and dignity that outweigh the desires of the adults to do whatever they want.

I hope you'll agree that if it is allowed, it will become a huge entitlement and require big government regulation and subsidy and will undermine the source of our rights (being created Equal), as well as hurt children.  Genetic intervention could easily be come to be seen as responsible, and something the child has a right to, so as not to be born with such and such gene, or to have its intelligence improved. Will Saletan actually thinks that is our obligation, to eliminate racial differences through genetic intervention. But it would get in the way of our right to have sex with an eligible spouse and conceive children with our own genes.

So if I spoke too soon about you being a Libertarian Transhumanist then Hallelujah and thans for clearing it up. I am still worried about lots of the other Libertarians out there, but maybe you can share your understanding with them.

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by: John Howard @ Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 00:31:31 AM UTC

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JD, is it "I'm personally opposed, but think it should be legal"? (0.00 / 0)

My definition of Transhumanist is anyone who is not a Bioconservative, and my definition of Bioconservative is someone who thinks we should not allow genetic engineering of children. So everyone is one or the other, and there is no way to say "I am neither a Transhumanist or a Bioconservative."

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by: John Howard @ Fri Jul 20, 2012 at 02:29:19 AM UTC

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who is Ed Factor (0.00 / 0)

You called me an anonymous name caller and Ed Factor isn't even your name? Haha!!!

At least the MassGOP has the courage to not stand for anything but their name.

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by: JDVena @ Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 18:28:47 PM UTC

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Ugh (0.00 / 0)

Click on my handle and in my profile on RMG is my name and where I live. Unlike you, my name has actually appeared on a ballot as a Republican.  

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by: edfactor @ Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 18:35:09 PM UTC

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My Name Was On Ballots (0.00 / 0)

Ed,

My name was written on 102 ballots on April 28th. I was the top recipient of votes as an alternate. The MassGOP decided to appoint 2 delegates (Beth Lindstrom ans Sheila Harrington) that received less than 80 votes. How noble of them to accept.

Tell you what, if you don't like Evan or anyone from the Mass Liberty Caucus appearing on Rachel Maddow or the Boston Globe and you are so outraged for what the MassGOP did, then why don't you try to use your enormous influence to get Evan on the O'Relley Factor? Or better yet, why don't you contact the MassGOP and ask that they stop committing party suicide?

JD

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by: JDVena @ Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 19:52:28 PM UTC

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Wait, kind words for Baker and Tisei? (4.00 / 1)

That's supposed to be an argument that the guy is loyal to the Republican party? Seriously?

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by: John Howard @ Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 19:24:16 PM UTC

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I had a problem with the word "corrupt" (0.00 / 0)

And that he used it on the Rachael Maddow Show.  That was a dumb move. Good kid though (he couldn't be more right) but I couldn't promote him up with a loose mouth like that ... that's fricken crazy.  He's out.

Molon Labe

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by: Republican Ram Rod Radio @ Wed Jul 11, 2012 at 01:31:03 AM UTC

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Who'r Really Harming the Mass GOP? (5.00 / 1)

You say that Evan Kenney made the Party look terrible, but in fact it is the Mass GOP party leadership that makes the Party look terrible when they pull dirty tricks to steal and/or over turn caucus election results disenfranchising 2000 Republican caucus voters across the state.

You accuse Evan Kenney of calling his Republican Party "corrupt" on national television?  You want corruption?  I'll show you some corruption!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?f...

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by: Mark Twain @ Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 13:52:49 PM UTC

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Two wrongs dont make a right (0.00 / 0)

The choice isn't to support the actions of the MassGOP or Mr. Kenney. I can dislike how the delegates were treated, and dislike what Mr. Kenney did. One doesn't justify the other.

Also, just because you believe the MassGOP has wronged you (many feel that way for lots of reasons) does not mean that any action you take against them is justified. I was not against earlier public protests against the MassGOP. But this was way over the line. People who are in the party must think of the party when they criticize. Even I pull my punches a lot. Discretion is the better part of valor.  

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by: edfactor @ Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 14:04:47 PM UTC

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What's Really Hurting the Mass GOP? (0.00 / 0)

Sorry Ed..... when you fail to stand up and denounce wrong doings by the Party like over turning elections, you have no one to blame but yourself.  As a nation we have gone marching of to war to spread democracy at the point of a gun, and meanwhile the MassGOP is thwarting grass roots democracy here at home in Massachusetts....  the birthplace of the Revolution.  Shame!  All of the efforts by the Mass GOP leadership to undermine and subvert grassroots democracy of the Massachusetts Liberty Caucus and their supporters are the political equivalent of eating their own young and will come back to haunt them in November.  

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by: Mark Twain @ Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 15:53:39 PM UTC

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unforgivable harm to the party (5.00 / 1)

It is not Mr. Kenney who has done unforgivable harm to the Republican Party. It is the State and National Republican Party (yes, and the Democratic Party too) that has been doing unforgivable harm to Mass., our country and the world.  

What we need is a big public thunder storm to clean and freshen the air of an overwhelming infectious stench. It matters not where the cleansing is started. What matters is
that the Nation needs to awaken from its hypnotic trance and take action.  

Mr. Kenney is a moral and enthusiastic young man. He knows there is little time left for the American experiment to stand its ground or die. Criticizing the messenger instead
of those responsible for creating the story is backwards. It is no different from a fearful family keeping the deep dark secret of a pedophile family member from being exposed. Without exposure and action nothing will change.

Don't circle the wagons in defense of deception. Open the gates and take in reformers and the Republican Party will gain respect. There are thousands of Massachusetts voters that would flock to the Party if they thought that actions would reflect the stated goals of the party. It is not what you say. It is what you do.

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by: banjopkr @ Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 15:00:10 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Evan Kenney has done no harm to the party (5.00 / 1)

He is causing a serious PR nightmare for Ron Kaufman, Kerry Healey, Matt Sisk, and Brad Jones, the crew that wants to push aside their own written rules to coronate Romney. Sorry about that little thing called elections guys. You know the thing where the populace that you are supposed to serve actually gets to have a voice, remember that?

Obviously not. Looks like we will have to remind them next election cycle.

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by: Sawx75 @ Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 20:12:37 PM UTC

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Yes. Yes he did. (0.00 / 0)

Mr. Sawx -

If you want to say that the MassGOP did some damage to the party by going after the Ron Paul people - I have no problem with that. I think they did - even if you and I would disagree on the degree.

But Mr. Kenney got onto national television and called the party in Mitt Romney's home state "corrupt". He was used by Republican-hater Rachel Maddow to make the GOP look bad to millions of viewers, in order to embarrass Romney and help re-elect President Obama. That absolutely, positively did damage.

I look forward to your silly and empty threat to "remind" the Republicans about your non-existent power in the next election cycle. Let's meet back here after election day, OK? I am going to help Romney, Brown, and others get elected. Let me know what you accomplished.  

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by: edfactor @ Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 21:29:30 PM UTC

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You have no clue what I have accomplished. (0.00 / 0)

I do know that you have spent the day as a keyboard warrior, judging from your posts.
The question is was Evan used by the Maddow show, or could it be the other way around....
Me, I'm off to live in the real world, good luck responding for the next 12 hours.

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by: Sawx75 @ Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 22:28:06 PM UTC

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Boy, is getting hot in here! (0.00 / 0)

And you guys don't even have the 25+ bitter years of experience with the State Committee.

Like you, Edfactor, I have little good to say about the Paulbots and, yes, I suspect their intent BUT they are not the ones who traduced democracy here. They can't be blamed for just showing up. Your point about party strongpoints, such as Attleboro, being resistant to the Paul surge is will taken (it was also true in Sandwich where they knew ahead of time and were prepared for the Paul onslaught) but it just highlights how the SC find this democracy thing really too much trouble.

But worst is that they have done precisely this before:

*In 1996 the Weld people wanted to throw out the delegation because it was insufficiently pro-abortion. (And then there was the whole Mildred Jefferson outrage)

*In 2000 the state committee and the governor's office succeeded in throwing out most of the delegation in order to install McCain supporters who they considered more their allies than the rank-and-filers who showed up at the caucusas. The challenge went all the way to the national convention in Philadelphia and the credentials committee insisted that this be read into the record:

"

Whereas the Republican National Convention's Committee on Credentials has had to repeatedly answer contests to delegates from Massachusetts because of their peculiar manner of selection that seems to promote cronyism and defeat democratic elections, the Committee on Credentials urges the Massachusetts State Committee to reconsider Rule 4.7 which allows the winning Presidential Candidate's State Committee to certify delegates and alternate delegates pledged to its candidate."

They threatened not to seat the next delegation from MA if they did not repeal rule 4.7

And I can tell you from experience that legions of Republican activists in this state have torn up their membership and resigned from their town and ward committees over these and many other incidents.

Partial accounts of these shenanigans can be read at:
http://www.trumbullofboston.or...
http://www.trumbullofboston.or...
and
http://www.trumbullofboston.or...

Edward59

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by: Edward59 @ Wed Jul 11, 2012 at 02:17:44 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

The Two Eds (0.00 / 0)

BTW, Edfactor, an ejected caucus winner called me up because he thought I was you.

Edward59

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by: Edward59 @ Wed Jul 11, 2012 at 02:19:36 AM UTC

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Much to do about nothing! (0.00 / 0)

This is much to do about nothing.  WHO CARES!!!!!!!  Nobody watches MSNBC or Rachael Maddow anyway except for people who already dislikes Republicans.  

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by: catc1966 @ Mon Jul 16, 2012 at 13:35:07 PM UTC

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OK, what is the Liberty Slate? (0.00 / 1)

Precisely how do they want to influence the GOP platform?

The elephant in the room is Transhumanism. Are these guys all Libertarian Transhumanists who think genetic engineering of "better humans" should be allowed if a lab offers it? Do they think there should be no laws stopping a woman from reproducing with another woman using stem-cell derived gametes grown to have the opposite sexual imprinting? (something that hasn't been done even in animals yet and might never be possible, let alone safe?)

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by: John Howard @ Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 19:30:46 PM UTC

"911, what's your emergency?" (5.00 / 1)

"Yes, I'd like to report a hijacking."

"O.K. sir, what has been hijacked?"

"Just another blog posting."

"Transhumanism again?"

"Yes, ma'am."

"Alright, stay calm, don't engage, I repeat, do not engage the hijacker."

"Please hurry, before Electric Strawberry gets here. It could get messy really fast."

"We'll get someone over there as fast as we can."

G.O.P. Growth. Opportunity. Prosperity. For all Americans.

Karl (TLC)Weld

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by: TLCWeld @ Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 19:52:21 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

What is the Liberty Slate (0.00 / 0)

I just want to know what these guys want, they are so secretive about how they want to influence the GOP platform. I have a specific question about whether they are Libertarian Transhumanists.

Asking specific questions about the Liberty Slate is not hijacking a thread, the thread is still here, and the comments is still about the Liberty Slate.

I'm getting sick of people ducking pretty important questions about the Liberty Slate and lying and hiding their beliefs. Libertarian Transhumanism is a branch of Libertarianism, and one that "true" Libertarians have to agree with or else admit that Libertarianism has dangerous flaws, such as huge government regulation and subsidy and loss of the basis of equality and liberty, unless they ditch Libertarian Transhumanism.

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by: John Howard @ Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 22:44:25 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

sorry John I thought you were just kidding around (0.00 / 0)

I smoked a 56er before I logged in tonight so I'm not as sharp as I am during the day.

Molon Labe

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by: Republican Ram Rod Radio @ Wed Jul 11, 2012 at 02:15:32 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

Howard you gotta get out of here! Strawberry is going to be pissed! (0.00 / 0)

Molon Labe

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by: Republican Ram Rod Radio @ Wed Jul 11, 2012 at 01:40:08 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

I was just kidding with you guys ... (0.00 / 0)

Molon Labe

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by: Republican Ram Rod Radio @ Wed Jul 11, 2012 at 02:16:18 AM UTC

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Very impressed by Kenney (0.00 / 0)

Many mature adults in his position would be disillusioned and mad as heck, but he showed superb character and political instincts in this appearance.  It's hard to imagine anyone making us look better than he did.  

Also, good on Charlie Baker for refusing to serve as a delegate after losing a fair election.

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by: Couves @ Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 22:07:45 PM UTC

"It's hard to imagine anyone making us look better than he did" - Couves (0.00 / 0)

Well I could go on there and call the MA GOP a bunch of "racist" corrupt people Couves?

Molon Labe

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by: Republican Ram Rod Radio @ Wed Jul 11, 2012 at 01:42:55 AM UTC

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IT WAS A JOKE EVERYONE! I was just kidding. (0.00 / 0)

Unless you think I really could represent the party better ... : )

Molon Labe

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by: Republican Ram Rod Radio @ Wed Jul 11, 2012 at 01:43:57 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

He didn't call the MA GOP "racist" (0.00 / 0)

But he did help expose what happened here... he's showing the leadership and integrity we need in our elected officials.  

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by: Couves @ Wed Jul 11, 2012 at 04:18:03 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

Evan's choice of words? (5.00 / 1)

Ed,
You're upset because an 18 year old kid said he was honored to be on the show.  It's a National Cable tv show, you don't have to agree with the content that they produce, I don't.
What the Mass GOP did is disgraceful.  
The kid got screwed along with all the other delegates that got elected they kicked out.  Mass GOP executive board and state committee members told him its their party and they will do what they want.  
I'd like to see the meeting minutes and the a Role Call of the votes from the last state committee meeting.  So when the next election comes these Elected Officials will be held accountable.
 I'll hold my breathe.  These people don't think their accountable to anyone.  Certainly not the people that voted for them in March.  Anyone know how to do a recall for state committee members?  That's what the liberty party should be doing right now, setting up a recall for everyone of the state committee members who thought everyone's vote doesn't count.

They created this situation, they didn't get enough people to vote the way they wanted to the caucuses.
You might want to make sure the Mitt Romney INC folks know that this was a teeny tiny election for delegates and they couldn't pull it off, and got to change the rules, and not count votes.  
They wont be able to do that shit in November.

They clearly don't care about Massachusetts Republican Party they only care about this election.  I'd say that is Mitty Romney Incs job, but its the state committee members that should have focused on their job, growing the party membership and winning more than one election for one office.
They certainly didn't do anything to help the freshmen class of state reps and the Governor's race they put everything into they lost.

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by: HalifaxRepublican @ Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 22:41:20 PM UTC

Dude think about it! (0.00 / 0)

The kid was right but he was wrong to say it on Rachel Maddow.  The kid broke some major shit back there.  

1.) You never take sides against the family - God Father
2.) Always keep your mouth shut and never rat on your friends. - Good Fellas

The kid was right but he was crazy to email Rachel Maddow and go on her show and say people in the MA GOP are "corrupt" just crazy ... we can't put him in front of mic ever again.  

Molon Labe

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by: Republican Ram Rod Radio @ Wed Jul 11, 2012 at 02:12:24 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

Did he turn down Fox to be on Maddow's show or something? (5.00 / 1)

Yeesh.  You dance with the cable news show that brought you.

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"That it ceased to exist, I'll grant you, but whether or not it failed cannot be definitively said." - Metropolitan (1990)

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by: Patrick @ Wed Jul 11, 2012 at 02:34:08 AM UTC

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I don't think the kid should be calling people in the MA GOP corrupt on any show, that's all. (0.00 / 0)

Oh and I was just kidding around when I said I thought the kid was you!  I figured you'd be like ... "R4 WTF?????"

Molon Labe

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by: Republican Ram Rod Radio @ Wed Jul 11, 2012 at 13:20:30 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

I thought that kid was Patrick ??? (0.00 / 0)

Molon Labe

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by: Republican Ram Rod Radio @ Wed Jul 11, 2012 at 01:16:45 AM UTC

No. (5.00 / 1)

I wouldn't have had kind words for the Mass GOP or Charlie Baker.

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"That it ceased to exist, I'll grant you, but whether or not it failed cannot be definitively said." - Metropolitan (1990)

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by: Patrick @ Wed Jul 11, 2012 at 02:36:29 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

doh! (0.00 / 0)

Molon Labe

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by: Republican Ram Rod Radio @ Wed Jul 11, 2012 at 13:21:05 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Here are a couple of other things I don't like about the kid. (0.00 / 0)

1.) Makes way to many comments about his age.  A better
move would be to not bring it up at all.  

2.) He said something like my mother told me not to sign the affidavit. A man should never go on National TV and talk about his mother.

3.) "It's an honor to be here" ... on the Rachel Maddow show?  he should have said something like 'thank you for having me Rachel ... I emailed every show on cable including the Danvers Local Access channel and you were the only ones that emailed me back,

Molon Labe

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by: Republican Ram Rod Radio @ Wed Jul 11, 2012 at 13:35:57 PM UTC

Thanks! (5.00 / 1)

Mr. Radio -

Thanks for actually discussing the issue here (him contacting Maddow and going on her show). I agree about the "my mom told me not to sign it" thing - how embarassing!

The Ron Paul people on this thread amaze me (along with Rob Eno). They don't want to even discuss the TV show appearance - only the original problem with the MassGOP. It's like it doesn't matter what he does because he got screwed by the leadership. I wonder what would have happened if he decided to strap explosives to himself and detonate them in front of the MassGOP offices on Merrimac street. Would Rob and the Paulbots ignore the suicide bombing and talk only about the delegate fiasco? That's what it feels like. They just don't know how to engage in a real argument (keep on topic, answer the charges of the other side, be reasonable, concede things when necessary).  

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by: edfactor @ Wed Jul 11, 2012 at 14:08:32 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Couldn't agree with you more Ed (0.00 / 0)

He shot his mouth off in the wrong place at the wrong time.  

Molon Labe

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by: Republican Ram Rod Radio @ Wed Jul 11, 2012 at 16:28:48 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Well the shit hit the fan fellas ... (0.00 / 0)

http://bluemassgroup.com/2012/...


Molon Labe

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by: Republican Ram Rod Radio @ Wed Jul 11, 2012 at 14:05:36 PM UTC

Yes. Nice job giving the other side ammuntion (5.00 / 1)

I agree with all the anti-Evan remarks on this thread.

Note almost all the pro-Evan posters signed up as RMG users in the last two months.

BTW the J D Vena guy has no record on OCPF, so not sure how he's given "thousands."

I approached two RP guys I met on primary day about further involvement in either Tea Party or Republican politics. No real interest.

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by: tomasek1000 @ Wed Jul 11, 2012 at 17:44:33 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

" Nice job giving the other side ammunition" => tomasek1000 (0.00 / 0)

That was a great line ...  

Molon Labe

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by: Republican Ram Rod Radio @ Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 01:34:50 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

no donations??? (0.00 / 0)

Tomasek,

I suppose you would like some receipts? Maybe I should just give you my credit card, expiration date, and 3 digit numberon the back. To be honest with you, I have never heard of OPCF.

But I just received a personal message from a real candidate, Jon Golnik for a recent $50 donation. Call his office and confirm. And as soon as I'm done fighting the MassGOP, who are acting like fascists, I will join my fellow duly elected delegates who are actively volunteering for him.

You seriously tried to look up my records? What a %$* creep you are.

JD Vena

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by: JDVena @ Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 14:14:35 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Get used to it, because it's a common politcal practice. (0.00 / 0)

If you want to be involved in political activities you have to know these things. The OCPF has the database in MA.

It the OCPF to which MA state and local candidates report all donations.

The federal candidates report to the FEC.

You are trying to establish some credibility here by discussing your role in Republican politics. That is great that you are on the Methuen RTC. I am on the Andover RTC and am Andover & Tewksbury town captain for both Brown & Tisei. I too support Golnik (and live in the 3rd) though you should note his opponent Weaver claims he (Golnik) is the candidate of the party appartus that you are against, so you can see that these arguments (particularly the RINO label)are not so black and white.

I merely take issue with your statement

I have donated 1000s of dollars to republican candidates

and I don't beleive it's true. If you're going to post on RMG you are going to have to accept the that fact people will challenge you by doing smiple things like web searches.

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by: tomasek1000 @ Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 16:03:18 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

OCPF Website?? (0.00 / 0)

Tomasek,

Please tell me where I can find this faulty web site?  Did you search John Vena?

I go by JD but my name is John Vena. And yes, since 2008, I have donated roughly $3000 to candidates and organizations that fight for liberty.  

JD

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by: JDVena @ Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 22:36:37 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Tomasek1000 (0.00 / 0)

I can't believe the conversation has changed from "Who cares about election fraud and throwing out votes" to "JD Vena didn't donate $1000s of dollars to republican candidates and activist organizations" (Campaign for Liberty, National Association for Gun Rights, National Pro-Life Alliance."

Incidentally, I did a search on my name in the OCPF site and nothing comes up.  Therefore, this search engine is no better than the Mass RMV.

Just to shut your big mouth, please provide your email address and I will kindly forward you an image of Jon Golnik's personal message of gratitude for my latest donation.  

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by: JDVena @ Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 22:58:39 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Dude... (0.00 / 0)

if you claim to give $1000s on a political junkie website....expect a check of the public database.  Unless you're Ed and Charlotte, other than a not yet reported $50 to Jon, the database says you've given.....$0...locally.

To then be indignant because people check the database....well....

Disclaimer....I do not make financial donations to politicians, only my time.

"I acknowledge having racist and classist and sexist feelings of white male superiority." -John Howard

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by: ElectricStrawberry @ Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 01:42:50 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

Maybe he gave to federal candidates (0.00 / 0)

I too have given thousands to Republican candidates, but nothing from me shows up in the state database, because I only gave to candidates for President and Senate (always Republican, pro-marriage, pro-life). But even in the federal FEC database I don't see my contributions to Santorum or Huckabee, so I think the database has some ommisions. I contributed a couple hundred bucks multiple times to both of them through their websites, but I don't see it.

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by: John Howard @ Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 04:21:01 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

Imagine if this kid get's his ass kicked in the fall by some faction of the young republicans club, on his college campus. (0.00 / 1)

Patrick?  Could this happen?

Molon Labe

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by: Republican Ram Rod Radio @ Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 01:31:16 AM UTC

Seriously? (0.00 / 0)

This comment is close to inciting violence, and crossed the line. I really think it is in poor taste. I would hope that any violence or threat of violence could be kept out of a simple discussion.  

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by: Sawx75 @ Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 02:13:17 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

oh boy not this shit again (2.00 / 1)

EaBo can you delete my last comment so Sawx75 doesn't have a heart attack?  

Molon Labe

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by: Republican Ram Rod Radio @ Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 02:59:50 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

Do not take this poster seriously (0.00 / 0)

He's the court jester.  Seriously that's his role.  Has been since almost day one 4,940,000 pageviews ago.  Yes that's right we are coming up on 5 million pageviews

Full Disclosure


http://www.redmassgroup.com/pr...

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by: Rob "EaBo Clipper" Eno @ Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 20:51:25 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Who's making the party look bad again? (0.00 / 0)

n/t

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by: Couves @ Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 04:47:52 AM UTC

[ Parent ]

Relax Couves - You and Sox are working yourselves up into a lather. (0.00 / 0)

Molon Labe

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by: Republican Ram Rod Radio @ Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 13:31:01 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

That's pretty rich, (0.00 / 0)

coming from you RamRod.

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by: Couves @ Fri Jul 13, 2012 at 20:54:30 PM UTC

[ Parent ]

Republicans had better capitalize on this (0.00 / 0)

Right now the story is "wow, funny, a huge bunch of ron paul libertarian dudes organized online and crashed the caucuses and elected themselves to be delegates for their frivolous fleeting amusement" and that's all. There is no discussion of what difference that makes.

The Republicans come off as stodgy cigar chompers trying to preserve their country club passes, and we are supposed to cheer on the upstarts who stole them out from under their noses, because they are only country club passes. But they are more than that. Republicans really need to show that the libertarians are crazy, they are not conservative (Transhumanism is literally the opposite of Conservatism), and they are not small government or pro-liberty. It isn't hard to do, fellas, libertarians have no limits, and materialist libertarian transhumanists think children are the property of whoever paid for their creation, and people can be made with whatever DNA a lab feels like.  

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by: John Howard @ Thu Jul 12, 2012 at 05:47:35 AM UTC