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Let's start the 11/7/12 movement to rebuild the state GOP.

by: Vote3rdpartynow

Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 11:06:53 AM EST


Look everybody,

In my opinion 11/7/12 was a day that lived in infamy.  I awoke to discover every candidate I supported had been beaten like a rented mule.  No more complaining - just action from now on...

We can all complain about the loss this past week, or we can do what winners always do when they end up short - they lift themselves up by their bootstraps and get smarter, faster, leaner and stronger.

Instead of regurgitating all the things we have done wrong, which many will disagree on - let's instead decide what things we can do right.  Let's make a list of things the State Committee, Republican Town Committees, individuals can work toward in order to build a better and more productive political party.

Let's set some goals:

1. Lets shoot for 100% attendance at Meetings, be they RTC or SC meetings.  Furthermore, let's make sure that when the meetings are done everyone in the room knows what was disucssed, what the next step is and knows their part in getting things done.

2. Let's start building up to date email listings of people in town that are/should be involved in the future of this party.  Namely younger people...  I am seeing a real shift among younger people toward more conservative leanings.  Maybe it is because they can't find jobs out of college, or they see how little a paycheck is left when the taxes are taken out.  Either way, and for whatever reason, I am seeing a measureable shift away from the idealistic Obama-ites and into more level headed young people.  Example: had dinner with a young woman two weeks ago who is a libertarian.  She completely refutes any idea of a war on woman.  Had lunch with a 25 year old African American man who said he was tired of his friends feeling entitled to everything.  He said he continuously tells them to go get a job and get off the couch.  These conservative young people are out there.

3. Let's learn how to talk to people about issues that are fundamental to Republicans.  Nobody likes taxes - so why can't we talk about them?  Nobody likes irresponsible government spending - so why can't we talk about it?  Let's move away from 'Liawatha' nonissues and start talking about real issues.  Note: I know I am among the worst of those people who talk about 'Liawatha' issues, but no more.  From now on I will only write about real issues and how they affect people like you and me.  If we can talk to our friends and relatives about how the national debt hurts everyone, then it is practice for when we talk to people outside our circles on influence.  Let's help each other frame arguments for future discussions here on RMG.  People need to understand how things affect them i.e. national debt, single party rule, taxes, social security, healthcare run by the federal government, etc...

4. Let's promise to get a letter to the editor once a month in each town.  This simple act keeps reminding people that the issues don't go away after the election is over.

5. Make a personal goal to invite one new person to each monthly RTC meeting.  Don't show up to these meetings reluctantly - show up excited about what might happen there.  Speak up in these meetings!  Don't sit there glancing at your watch every 30 seconds - bring a friend and get excited..

6. Use Facebook to communicate the issues.  I get updates on Facebook all the time from people who are conservative.  Use these social media to move the word.

7. RTCs should demand action from the SC.  If someone from the SC is not at your RTC meeting then make a call and wake them up.  Send feedback to them about each meeting.  Keep communciation going...

8. Measure results. Start counting the number of people who attend meetings.  If someone is missing ask them why?  If a new person attends introduce them and welcome them....

Add others.....

Vote3rdpartynow :: Let's start the 11/7/12 movement to rebuild the state GOP.
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You are a walking definition of Insane... (4.00 / 1)
...basically you want to do everything that you've done in the past--better--and you expect different results.  That is Einstein's definition of insane.

You are ignoring the basic math problem conservatives face and that is 50% of the population disagree with many of your corner stone issues.  You think you can attract young folks, while you and other conservatives oppose basic civil rights of their gay friends and relatives?  You think you can grow the Republican tent with a sign out from that basically says "if your Hispanic you must be illegal" (cry foul all you want, but anti immigration rants you go on sound that way to others).  And letters to the editor and facebook communications are meaningless if it's the same messages...particularly those like your own "Liawatha" variety.  You can't help yourself, you're the walking stereotype of the angry white guy who thinks anyone who gets any government assistance enjoys being dependent on government, when the truth is you accepted a government hand out, so why don't you condemn yourself?

Nope, you think by having better meetings and having more updated email lists will somehow compensate for the fact that many of the growing voter blocs are turned off by the positions of the conservative Republican party.  


Agree (0.00 / 0)
It's about 1) the basic platform planks and 2) the motivation of the electorate for the plank.

If anyone agrees with me that the basic platform planks are: 1) fiscal responsibility 2) smaller government 3) transparency in government, then you can figure that there is NO chest thumping motivation by any sane person for the platform.  No motivation, because if you want smaller government, there's really no motivation to go out and work for government office, not as a candidate, not as a worker.  Seriously, "vote for me and I won't bring back the bacon?"  Voters want stuff and if you go down the road of promising them stuff then how is that fiscally responsible?  The obvious and longstanding dilemna.

Absent motivation, the solution, IMHO, is this.  Embrace Citizens United and capitalism.  The democrats'  argument against Citizens United is a whine that says "why should the rich people be able to spend so much."  The dems mistake freedom of speech for the right and the right to speak with the same volumn.  There is and should be no right to volumn.

Use the money of the corporations and the PACs to create a ground game that's build on $ incentive.  Under few circumstances are the Republicans going to get heart felt, tear filled volunteers.  Therefore go with mercenaries for a good cause.  Paid positions and $ incentive for City Captains who register republicans.  Hit the streets on a registration drive and pockets full of Chick Filet coupons and a platform of the one party state is out of control, fiscally irresponsible and operated behind closed doors.

Ignore the fringe but welcome them.  It's the Ronald Regan thing: "They support me, I didn't say I supported them" Abortion? Gay marriage? Gun owners... Ignore them and they vote democrat?  I don't think so.  Ignore them and they don't turn out?  They didn't turn out anyway in 2012! Put the item on the plank but don't waste your breath campaigning on the issue.  

You want a Republic body in the Mass government, ask yourself, what's wrong with the State.  My list starts here:

1-There is no transparency in government. Period.  There should be.

2-The state's balance sheet is a wreck: largest debt of any state in the US per capita, declining population and aging population, underfunded pension plans, declining per capita income.

3-Wasteful spending.  Headline and advertise the government spending and the Democratic thugs who put it there: Convicted speakers, 6 digits pensions, Chelsea Housing Authority.

4-Keep the income tax flat and low and get rid of that silly 10% massachusetts capital gains tax.

5-There is no 5.  5 is whatever about abortion, climate change, gun ownership....whatever floats your boat, but all secondary to 1, 2, 3 and 4.

Elizabeth Warren: a bankruptcy professor, bankrupt of ideas


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Yeah...lets take the advice of the enemy.... (0.00 / 0)
Listening to Simple would be like listening to the Taliban on how the US Military should operate in Afghanistan.

Simple, you are a left wing ideological stooge who is no better at telling the truth than you are at adhering to your own word.

There already exists the party you describe....it's called the Democrat Party.

"Gee, I had no idea..."  Simple J. (Festus) Malarkey  


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All I'm doing is parroting many moderate GOPers... (0.00 / 0)
...like the David Frum's and David Brookes' of the world.  So go ahead and dismiss my comments, but there is plenty of similar comments like this from bonfire Republicans that you can ignore at your own risk.

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They have different motivations, Mr. Malarkey (0.00 / 0)
David Brooks, like myself, has a lot of criticism of the party. Criticism that you would probably say is valid.

But the key difference is that Brooks and I want to help the party, and we make constructive suggestions. You don't want to help the party. You never make constructive suggestions - just point out things we do wrong that flatter your own political beliefs.

I think Republicans will accept some criticism from those who want to help and none from those who do not.


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Why are you here Simple? (0.00 / 0)
I know that ElectricStrawberry rides you pretty hard for being a despicable, worthless liar, which you are!  But what kind of sick satisfaction do you get from coming here and asking people, who oppose your political desires, to surrender their hopes for a better America.  We don't believe in federal committees to solve our problems at home.  We think that the individual, with a bit of hard work and determination can solve any problem life throws at him/her.  You have an opposing view that requires some elitist bureacrat from Washington to step in and take control.  So we disagree, but your desire to stop us from getting back on our feet and brushing off the dust of yet another democrat thumping stinks of bad attitude.

I am asking you as a gentleman, to please honor your word and go away.  There is no need for you to come here and gloat at our loss.  That shows incredibly poor sportsmanship.  

I used to think ES was too hard on you, but now I realize you are as bad as he can imagine.  You really are despicable.  How do you sleep at night?

Ed Markey is now the official 'cheapest' man on earth.  1.5 percent to charity while the average American gave 3 times as much...


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Simple doesn't sleep... (0.00 / 0)
....he goes into one of those Borg Drone regeneration chambers....where he is bathed in the collective.

"Gee, I had no idea..."  Simple J. (Festus) Malarkey  

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You aren't going to get 100% attendence. (0.00 / 0)
The RTCs are horribly broken.  Meetings are long and boring and any discussion that takes place is usually wildly off topic.  My town's RTC meeting is about 2 hours long. Everything necessary could be completed in 15 minutes.

Each town really needs a few separate groups. The RTC which does official stuff with quick meetings.  One social group existing members can go to, especially elderly RTC members, where they can discuss current events.  Another social group that focuses on doing something fun and inviting new people to join.


You're onto something Francis.... (0.00 / 0)
Make those recommendation at the next RTC.  

I think RTCs are awful for the most part.  I led one for several months and found people to be generally disinterested.  The RTC was everyone's third choice.  If they didn't have a family event, if they didn't have a school event - then they would come.  We need to find a way to become something higher than third or fourth choice in life.  

I also found the bylaws thoroughly sickening.  Every suggestion for improvement was met with disagreement from some 80 year old who had a copy of the bylaws in hand.  There is always someone with a reason things CAN'T work.  Those people should be thrown off the committee...

Maybe your suggestion of separate groups to get people more interested could work.  Of course, there is no rule or regulation from creating a distinct group that meets on a more casual basis for its own agenda.  Gee, this is suddenly sounding a lot like a Tea Party thing....

Anyway, keep up the good ideas and keep pushing hard.  The country is worth it.....

Ed Markey is now the official 'cheapest' man on earth.  1.5 percent to charity while the average American gave 3 times as much...


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Good resolutions, V3PN! (5.00 / 1)
Mr. V3PN -

These are good resolutions for an individual to have. The RTC system is pretty weak.

I do think that people also need to revisit the goals of Republican politics, and why people, currently uninvolved or underinvolved, are going to participate.

When you have a popular candidate running, you can say, "Come to our social thing and help Scott Brown!" That worked well for lots of RTCs.

But what happens when you don't have big-name candidates? What is the RTC trying to accomplish? What does the MassGOP brand mean to people? I think we're going to have to come up with some fun, civic activities to do while building the party.

And ignore Mr. Malarkey - his hanging around the funeral of his opponent - while looking to cast insults under the false pretense of helping us - is in very poor taste.  


That's just Malarkey being Malarkey..... (0.00 / 0)
He is a person if very low self esteem.  He/she finds value in screeming 'victory' in the opponents face.  I am glad we all conceded defeat very quickly this time.  8 years ago these same results were met (by democrats) with lawsuits and hissy-fits.  We are better than they are.  We are stronger than they are.  We will win this thing.  Not here, not now, but someday, and soon.....  


Ed Markey is now the official 'cheapest' man on earth.  1.5 percent to charity while the average American gave 3 times as much...

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