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Rising From The Ashes: A Modest Proposal For Jim Ogonowski

by: The Angelic One

Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 23:50:38 PM EDT


( - promoted by EaBo Clipper)

While Team Ogonowski ponders its options after it failed to secure enough certified signatures to place its candidate on the ballot, the reality is that the O-Man has no chance of getting back into the game of taking on Kerry. Sure, Team Ogonowski can put the blame on a handful of town/city clerks for a variety of errors or hint darkly at being the victim of dirty tricks unleashed by political forces hostile to most of what Ogonowski represents. The blame, however, rests squarely on the shoulders of Ogonowski himself, his campaign manager, & whoever had the responsibility for collecting signatures for the O-Man.

Given the realities of this year's political season (especially a presidential year that might be a transformational one), it was imperative that Team Ogonowski get as many signatures collected as possible & submitted to the town/city clerks as EARLY as possible LONG BEFORE said signatures (once certified) were forwarded to the office of the Secretary of the Commonwealth.

That obviously didn't happen & we now know the results. Can Ogonowski run a sticker campaign across the state? Sure. Will he win the primary? Only if Jeff Beatty allows it to happen. A sticker campaign is extremely difficult to pull off on the local level let alone doing it across the state. It requires an incredible organization - at least one that has the capacity to collect certifiable signatures in the first place. If Team Ogonowski goes forward with such a scheme, it will create intra-party strife & deepen the animosity between GOP activists that would be worse than the kind displayed here on RedMassGroup (RMG).

Most RMG readers know I took no sides on the Beatty/Ogonowski spat for the Massachusetts US Senate race against incumbent John Kerry (D-Davos). So I hope what I have to say will be heard objectively & respectfully by both sides. Right now, Ogonowski has been humiliated. However, the O-Man still can brush off the tarnish from his political reputation if he decides to get past this embarassing episode & move on to something new - specifically a political rematch with Congresswoman Niki Tsongas (MA-05).

Ogonowski already has a built-in organization in the district thanks to his previous run. If Team Beatty is indeed politically savvy, it would help Team Ogonowski post enough stickers in the GOP primary to ensure the O-Man gets on the ballot to face-off against Tsongas. If the Beatty & Ogonowski teams work together in such a manner (which benefits BOTH factions), it will help ammeliorate the negative vibes that have characterized their political relationship thus far. Repairment of said relationship is crucial given the fact that 2008 is shaping up to be the "Year of the Democrat" both nationwide & here in the Bay State.

How could Ogonowski pull it off & still be viewed as credible? First, the O-Man should fire the people who let him down. He should then take responsibility for not being as forceful as he should have been with regards to how his campaign was run. He should proclaim that the experience has humbled him to the point where he is going to go back to the place that helped him achieve a positive reputation in national GOP circles - the Fifth Congressional District. Tsongas has already built up a record worth criticizing. Given his military background, Ogonowski can attack the "Pelosi Democrats" for (among other things) holding up a vote on FISA (which can only make America more vulnerable to our enemies). At the same time, he can articulate key issues (like energy independence) which illustrates his vision for the future - one that stands in stark contrast to the status quo supported by both RINOs & DINOs.

Can Ogonowski beat Tsongas? If Team Ogonowski does its job right, then yes he can. If he loses to Tsongas by a closer margin (say 47% instead of 45%), then Ogonowski puts even more pressure on Tsongas (especially during the so-called "Year of the Democrat") & sets himself up for another confrontation in 2010 - which might be a better year for the GOP in general & the O-Man in particular. If Tsongas continues to show weakness, she may be powerless to prevent her district from being carved up after redistricting (provided, of course, that none of her congressional colleagues move on, retire, or die). The redistricting confusion will only benefit Ogonowski if he builds a solid foundation for the future NOW. The O-Man is well liked; people want him to succeed. For that to happen, Ogonowski must throw his support behind Beatty & Beatty must throw HIS support behind the O-Man's run against Tsongas.

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Win/Win Result (0.00 / 0)
While Ogonowski supporters may not want to embrace this idea so close to today's fallout, I cannot help but agree with you and I've always felt that such Beatty/Kerry & Ogonowski/Tsongas, Part II would have been the best of all worlds.  

Unfortunately, the fight to the primary ballot occurred and well, now we have the hypothetical ability to have both gentlemen win one, each, for the Gipper!

"Tomorrow will be better for as long as America keeps alive the ideals of freedom and a better life." - Walt Disney


Generally Speaking (0.00 / 0)
I would think you can only lose so many times before one acquires that Frequent Candidate tagging. That wack-job status of someone that runs all the time just on the odd chance that they may get what they want and get elected to something.

I thought Jim running for the Senate Seat was not as great of an idea as challenging Tsongas again. Tsongas is weak, Kerry is not. But just the same, I backed him because I know the man, and I know him to be a far better candidate than any other that stepped forward. And I thought, should he lose, he'd still have a race or so left before his political time was up. Maybe he could jump back in the 5th District as Angelic One suggests.

However, with this signature failure, I'm not sure if he can rise above this tarnish. Though I'm pretty confident he got royally screwed (he passed in 22,000 Signatures and only 9970 (or around 45%) were good???), the damage to his name by the press and a very, and unnecesarily aggressive Jeff Beatty may be the end.

I think Angelic One is right, if Jim is going to survive this bump, he needs to get on this right away, and forcefully, otherwise his chances as a serious candidate may be finished. And to be honest, I really like the idea of Beatty pitching in to get him on the 5th CD ballot. It would be the team work we need, but...Fat Chance.


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Depends On The Approach (0.00 / 0)
Ogonowski can opt for the Harold Stassen approach to campaigning or the Ronald Reagan approach to campaigning. Stassen ran for the egotistical hell of it with no thought put into developing long term strategies to achieve long term goals. Reagan officially ran for president three times; he lost in 1968 & 1976 before finally winning the office in 1980. He succeeded because he had a long term strategy to achieve his long term goals. Ogonowski can achieve a similar kind of victory provided he ditches the gimmicks & concentrates on developing a strong district-wide network of activists who can assist implementing the O-Man's strategies for the long term goals they share with Ogonowski.

Regarding his tarnished reputation, the O-Man can either allow it to remain tarnished or quickly move to restore its luster. Richard Nixon's resignation didn't prevent Tricky Dick from becoming an elder statesman nor did Bill Clinton's affair with Monica Lewinsky stop him from serving out the remainder of his second term. Obviously the tarnish on Ogonowski's reputation is negligible compared to the tarnished reputations of Nixon & Clinton. To win back the hearts of the voters, the O-Man has to take responsibility for the failure of his organization to obtain enough certified signatures to put him on the ballot, fire the incompetent idiots who let him down, & pledge to the public that a sadder yet wiser Ogonowski will cast off the cape of tarnish his enemies insist he wear & like James Brown leap back to his feet to fight anew.

Lastly, I think the Beatty people (if not Beatty himself) would be more than happy to help Ogonowski get on the ballot in order to fight Tsongas. To do nothing should the O-Man decide to take on Tsongas would cause a backlash against Beatty. To assist Team Ogonowski helps to mend fences while at the same time getting GOP activists excited about a race that is winable if done right. It also keeps Tsongas focused on her own political survival & thus less likely to devote time, money, & resources to Kerry when she needs it for her own re-election. The O-Man should remember that anything that doesn't kill him will only make him stronger IF he has the tenacity to pursue his long term strategies for his long term goals.


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I Dont Know... (0.00 / 0)
I've met the Beatty people, they have the right ideas and I assume they are good hardworking people. However, when the topic of Jim Ogonowski was brought up, I could tell there was a lot of antipathy against him, probably for joining the election, an election they thought they had to themselves. I'd doubt they would contribute time to help Jim out, considering they need all the help they can get to close that 30% gap on John F'in Kerry.  

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Godfather Politics (0.00 / 0)
The Beatty & Ogonowski people should always remember that in politics nothing is personal - it's just business. The Democrats understand that concept - which is why they're so good at politics.

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The Art of War (0.00 / 0)
Maybe you need to watch the movies again.

And maybe Sun Tzu would be better advice than the Godfather.

Sun Tzu said to take a City whole is best, and to burn it down is least best.

This way, you can commingle your forces and bolster your army and supplies.

This primary would be best described thus far as Scorched Earth of the Russian.

In short, if we are going to died and starve to death, we are taking you with us!

This is why I am a student of Sun Tzu, and was not involved in that Primary.


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Context, Context, Context (0.00 / 0)
I, too, am a devotee of Sun Tzu. I also count Carl von Clausewitz & Niccolo Machiavelli as strong influences on my political thinking. The Godfather movies reflect a more Machiavellian view of the world but I'm sure aspects of this universe reflect the thoughts of Tzu & Clausewitz. Still, the Beatty/Ogonowski feud is best dealt with by the principles themselves within a Machiavellian framework. Their situation requires subtlety. Tzu & Clausewitz would be best utilized against their respective partisan foes.

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Now I have a pain in my Medulla Oblongata! (0.00 / 0)


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Yikes! (0.00 / 0)
We all know how painful THAT can be!

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Context, (0.00 / 0)
They used Machiavelli

They should have used Sun Tzu.

Tzu allows for a healing and a building, so i suggest it best for Primaries.

Machiavelli is the 'kill the heads of the five families for wronging you and take their stuff by force and run everyone else out of town' which is better for General Elections.

But I digress.  


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More Context (0.00 / 0)
You shouldn't equate the essence of Machiavelli's thought to the level of a blunt instrument. He can be supple when the occassion merits the subtlety of a "flexible disposition" (what he would characterize as virtu'). Beatty & Ogonowski shouldn't take things personally; it's business & should be treated as such.

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Yet more context (0.00 / 0)
But they did take it personal. They made it personal. How many age, weight. personal attacks have we seen?  

More than I would have like to have seen, I assure you.

They should have been smarter to know we need a unified Party for the General Election. Blunt attacks do nothing, especially for a nomination. When their opponents were down, both their attempts at throat stomping suprised me.

They seemed more concerned about the Primary Victory, and ONLY the Primary Victory.

Just a misplacement of priorities.

This is why I asked over and over again for them to stop the craziness.


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I Agree (0.00 / 0)
They've hurt themselves in the eyes of a lot of thoughtful, serious, professional people. At this moment in time, they have the opportunity to set things right. I hope they can patch things up & move on.

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On the other hand (5.00 / 1)
I was forced to look at myself in their mirror and have lost 50 lbs to date.  Thanks guys....

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Thanks? (0.00 / 0)
Who are you thanking?

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It might have been while you were on hiatus (0.00 / 0)
but there was a vicious personal attack on me that was up for about 2 hours that was removed by the poster.  In it my weight and appearance were made an issue.

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I Didn't See The Post (0.00 / 0)
But I'm sorry to hear that you were the butt of that kind of attack.

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Read the book (0.00 / 0)
Everyone always quotes "it's nothing personal.  It's just business" and it's a great line and it comes directly from the movie.

A certain movie & book are my very favorites and, well... most people forget a very important quote from Mario Puzo's novel.

So says Michael Corleone:

Tom don't let anybody kid you. It's all personal, every bit of business. Every piece of shit every man has to eat every day of his life is personal. They call it business. OK. But it's personal as hell. You know where I learned that from? The Don. My old man. The Godfather. If a bolt of lightning hit a friend of his the old man takes it personal... That's what makes him great. The great Don. He takes everything personal. Like God. He knows every feather that falls from the tail of a sparrow or however the hell it goes. Right? And you know something? Accidents don't happen to people who take accidents as a personal insult.

--- Mario Puzo's The Godfather, page 145.

PS - Yes, I even collect The Godfather Chronicles comic book & my cell phone's ring tone is the theme song to the films.  :)  

"Tomorrow will be better for as long as America keeps alive the ideals of freedom and a better life." - Walt Disney


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Watch The Movie (0.00 / 0)
When the line is uttered several times in the movie, it's obvious from the way the lines are delivered & how the shots are framed that OF COURSE it's personal. The line is also drenched in irony. The line resonates with anyone in real life who has had to speak those lines or listen to them. The upshot? Suck it up & be a man. That's the point I was making to Beatty, Ogonowski, & their respective followers.

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I know that...you know that... (0.00 / 0)
but most people quote the line without any understanding of its context.  :)  After all, it's just a "cool" line.

Anyway, this conversation reminded me of Pax Corleone by John C. Hulsman and A. Wess Mitchell  

"Tomorrow will be better for as long as America keeps alive the ideals of freedom and a better life." - Walt Disney


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Great Link (5.00 / 1)
I tend to agree with the analysis too. You should use this link as a jumping off point for a future post titled "Pax Corleone In Massachusetts" & explore how our GOP can deal with the Bay State's gangster politics.

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"Take the papers....leave the cannolis..." (0.00 / 0)


Yr. Obedient Servant, Peter Porcupine, Republican

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It is "Leave the Gun, take the cannolis" (0.00 / 0)
I read the book before seeing the movie.

Thanks to Brock and Angel for the additional quotes. (I have a first edition copy safely stored at my parents house that I read in one night at age 13)

The fact is that story is about the love of a father for a son. The father, willing to do anything so the son wont get fired someday for no reason because someone else is pulling the strings. (Vefore he started his family, Don got fired one day because the mafia boss needed a job for someone. The Don when home, looked at his family, and knew it was his job to give them a betetr life.)

The best line was when the Don tells Michael,"I didn't want this for you...." That sums it up. No one WANTS to do that stuff. No one with a soul at least.

The other line is at the start when the mortician says, "I love America..." and then talks of the injustice he was served, and how even though he tried to be a good American, he found a lack of justice for the little guy. And he showed the need for some justic in a crazy world.

The draw of the Godfather movies is not the lessons in sound bites. The popularity is that, everything done in those movies "by the good guys" was for the loive of their family. To keep them from being used and abused by charlitans who come in out of nowhere, don't care about people, havent helped others, and are only in it for themselves.

So, I guess that's it.



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Again (0.00 / 0)
This subject deserves its own post. Brock's link should be further discussed with an eye towards extending the Godfather metaphors to deal with the problems faced by the Bay State GOP.

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Agreed (0.00 / 0)
BTW, a quote I love.

"In Sicily, women are more dangerous than shotguns."

Having grown up surrounded by Sicilian women, I laugh at most threats to me.

If a threat doesn't come from a Sicilian women, it is just words.  


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"It's Only Words" (0.00 / 0)
"And words are all I have/To take your heart away."

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VE - I KNOW the quote - it was a joke! (0.00 / 0)


Yr. Obedient Servant, Peter Porcupine, Republican

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I dont get the joke (0.00 / 0)
Take the papers leave the cannoli?


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Well said Angelic One (0.00 / 0)
If he has no viable path(sticker campaigns do not count) to the nomination this is a the best idea for him. I hope this post finds its way to the state party and to the Ogo campaign.

Waiting around to use the money for a run in the open seat for Kennedy's seat or a subsequent federal run would be a waste because it wont amount to much versus a Kerry juggernaut or a Meehan/Joe Kennedy slush fund. It will amount to a lot versus Tsongas.

A run for Congress again would be ideal if he has no path to the Senate nomination. Again like you, I say this as an unbiased observer. I'll pass this along.

He describes himself as "to the left of Barack Obama'' on social issues and is frustrated that more folks don't appreciate that. - Yvonne Abraham on Charlie Baker, The Boston Globe


As usual, AO makes great sense. (0.00 / 0)
I agree that (supposed professional) people let Ogo down terribly, but as Harry said, The Buck Stops with the candidate. Humiliating and inexcusable, in truth. The climax -- releasing a defiant statement and hours later admitting failure, was just stunning in its incompetence.  I still think the people responsible for this debacle ought to be drawn and quartered. Who are they? We need to make certain they don't embarrass any other promising candidates in the future.

And a sticker campaign makes very, very little sense.

Getting him on the ballot for the 5th race is definitely doable, logistically. And he must have a pretty good chunk of dough to spend still.

As for Beatty, I'll certainly vote for him (and he certainly is more ideologically attuned to my thinking), but I can't understand how a guy who has been essentially running for more than a year can still be a virtual unknown. He does well in his meet-and-greets (from what I've seen on video), but it seems to me his campaign lacks imagination in the publicity department (perhaps the only thing Ogo's people did relatively well). And I am intrigued by the national Party leadership's (apparently) deliberate decision to ignore him. Why? Not that I have any great admiration for how they've run the national Party into the ground, but I want to know why he's been shunned. And will he continue to be? Anyone have any real insight into that?


A few facts (1.00 / 1)
Folks,
You can still see a tinge of anger, with Ogonowski and his supporters on this site.
Way back when O was running against Tzongas, there was a handshake between the two candidates! BEATTY agreed to support O and provided himself and a bunch of volunteers to make calls etc. Up to and including election day! In Exchange O would support BEATTY in his senate run. You all know the rest, O forgot his handshake! From that pont forward this site and the angry few have been attacking BEATTY endlessly. His Military and civilian record, what he made, how much he raised, what he spent, his staff versus O's "Seasoned professionals". BEATTY paid to collect and on and on, When believe it or not it was O that actually paid money to get signatures..and FYI O has 22K in signatures was another falsehood! SOME mean folks on this site working for the MAGOP rump sawbs contributed by  cutting portions of press releases to favor O and hit BEATTY. I could go on but you know who you are and what you said/did.
Add to this the MAGOP, Rumors abound why they openly in some cases and behind closed doors in most cases supported O AND the NRSC has made blunder after blunder, losing the last 3 special elections nation wide. This is NOT a Demorcratic year, It will be if the GOP does not and quickly, get rid of the mentality they have, which is trying to out liberal the Dem's!  We won when we gave voters a choice. If the choice is a real Dem or a RINO the voter will choose a real Dem every day.
A.O says and some second, BEATTY NEEDS to to this or that!Here in my opinion is what BEATTY needs to do. Now that the race is his, Money and Publicity, Money and Publicity.  O's people have ignored, insulted, insinuated,
and every other word, mostly thru this site and some "Young Republicans", with help from the MAGOP. reference BEATTY, any work now to salvage ,O is O's responsibility, it would/should start with publically supporting BEATTY, then naming all the folks that caused this, so no one else ever gets stuck with these "seasoned pro's"  Then he needs to got after the MAGOP, they hoisted him up going all over the country, where are they now?, It was thier press person a former O guy who said in a Springfield paper "we are focusing on 2010" THANKS MAGOP from every candidate RUNNING THIS YEAR! I can guess, what else they are doing, the same thing they did earlier, If the phone is not ringing O, it is them calling. FYI BEATTY folks and A LOT of town committees offered to collect sig's for O if he would withdraw and run and beat Tsongas, O's team ignored and ridculed them. He has lost the base, it will be tuff to now try and get them back.
There is a bunch more that could be said like the twisting of every statistics.."O raised more $$", "BEATTY did not get a lot of vote", etc.. The bottom line is this, BEATTY has been pulling a D. Patrick, ONLY in that he has been for over one year going to every city/town getting grass roots support, fund raising etc, ALL should remember what Patrick did, he was up against a "Machine" and whipped them as he focused on the people, not the party machine, BEATTY'S people got the sig's, are getting the money, are getting the grass roots support. If anyne wants to help or make "friends", O needs to start it, support the BEATTY team, and then see what BEATTY wants to do and can do. That is what a gentleman would do. I fear that word is lost on O and some on this limited site the MAGOP and O's  NASTY team!
I fully expect an attck on this site..Does not matter, I and most everyone rarely read, so hack away............

My BET is O and his team will do the dishonorable thing and try a court plan, that is what he will be told to do, further ruining his name and reputation.

Sailer  


dude, if you're looking for anger, (5.00 / 1)
you might try the mirror.

Wow.  


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I'm not sure where this stands (0.00 / 0)
but if it's over I don't see why its worth twisting the knife on our fellow Republican Ogo and his supporters Sailer.

I should think you have reason to celebrate, but you seem more focussed on maintaining grudges. The grudges in our small state party have been one of the main obstacles to us getting things accomplished, we need to work on this. I'm sorry to hear youre so angry about things.

I know you seem to think everyone on this website and in the state party is against him but I'm not sure your fears are within reason. I don't think its fair to slight either this website (an open forum no less) or the neutral state party (which obviously didn't help Ogo that much if he didnt even get the sigs!) since we all need to band together when this is over.

I fully expect everyone on this site and everyone in the state party will come out for Beatty with great fervor if this thing is indeed over as I suspect it might be. Still though, as I've said before its also vitally important we not lose sight of the STRONG slate of local candidates we have. Their races may be less sexy but their important for our state party as a whole.

He describes himself as "to the left of Barack Obama'' on social issues and is frustrated that more folks don't appreciate that. - Yvonne Abraham on Charlie Baker, The Boston Globe


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Knowing nothing of Beatty (5.00 / 1)
Being that I live practically walking distance from Ogonowski, I was naturally in support of him. Now I have to evaluate Beatty, but it is difficult with posts like above.  

“The family does not exist for society or the state, but society and the state exist for the family.” "People have no problem trying to influence other people's children, but no one wants someone influencing their own."

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Focus on Beatty & NOT Pro-Beatty Yahoos (5.00 / 2)
I hope that everyone who was an Ogonowski supporter will focus on US Senate candidate Jeff Beatty and judge him according to his own merits, his own resume, and not allow a few bad blogging bad apples to taint your judgment of the gentleman.

I've known and been a supporter of Jeff Beatty since April 2007 and while there are zealots on any & every side of a campaign please do not let them detract you from the great candidate.  

For those of you who are fellow Beatty supporters but who prefer a more acerbic tone than do I, well... I strongly urge you to stop shooting from the hip.  Stop allowing perceived past slights and grudges to control your thoughts & actions.  Didn't your mothers teach you 2 very important lessons?  1) You get more flies with vinegar than with honey & 2) If you have nothing nice to say then don't say anything at all.

Seriously, do you realize the damage you can do to our US Senate candidate, Jeff Beatty, by constantly & bitterly lashing out at anyone & anyone who isn't currently on board with the campaign?  We'll never every Republican & independent voter we can get to defeat John Kerry and continuing to antagonize and alienate our brethren is suicidal!

Let us be gracious in victory & with arms wide open and welcoming to our brothers & sisters in the MassGOP.  

"Tomorrow will be better for as long as America keeps alive the ideals of freedom and a better life." - Walt Disney


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I'd be less skeptical if the Pro-Beatty Yahoos term did not apply to his own "Chief of Staff", who has been more interested in spamming blogs than generating press for the campaign. (5.00 / 2)
Some of Mr. Beatty's tactics against Ogonowski so far have been despicable and unprofessional at best. It's one thing to target a primary opponent on substance or electability, it's another to put his honor and integrity into question and suggest that he should drop out of the race. Mr. Beatty and his campaign would be well advised to do quite a bit of work for activists such as myself to even consider supporting his campaign.

Regardless, this discussion is very premature until we hear what the Ogonowski campaign's next steps will be.

All of us would be wise to focus on the winnable local and legislative races, as well as some congressional and county candidates. This will be my last post on this issue until there is any word from the campaign.  



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Sailer (5.00 / 3)
What you advise is contrary to basic Politics 101. We'll see what Beatty & Ogonowski do. In the meantime, your anger is clouding your judgement. You need more shore leave. Take it. Now.

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100% (0.00 / 0)
I am all in favor of ANYONE showing tSonagas the door and Ogo has  been the one best positioned to do that for quite some time.  

Angel - I actually suggested exactly this yesterday on another RMG thread. (0.00 / 0)
And I stated that as a Beatty supporter, I liked Jim but thought Jeff the stronger candidate.  And offered to help with a sticker campaign  for the 5th if that is what he wanted.

It's up to Ogo now.  And I agree that a statewide sticker campaign would be a miserable failure, while a DISTRICT one could be a success.

Yr. Obedient Servant, Peter Porcupine, Republican


Great Minds Think Alike (5.00 / 1)
I hope both camps take my advice into consideration for the good of their respective selves (if not their respective candidacies) as well as the good of the party. Time's a-wasting.

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Excellent suggestion, AO (0.00 / 0)
Jim and Jeff are both nice guys. We have too few nice guys running for political office. Let's encourage each to find a place that makes sense, then support the heck out of them. Two decent candidates fighting each other makes no sense in this political environment.

Support for Kerry is waning, even among Democrats. And Tsongas has done nothing to endear her to her constituency. We have an opportunity to win several federal seats if we work together.

I'm ready! (channeling Spongebob :-)


All good points Angelic One ..... but it's important for people to speak their mind. (0.00 / 0)
It's not good to keep things bottled up inside.  There are still unresolved issues between the Ogo supporters and the Beatty supporters.  And these issues need to be discussed before we can move forward.  

I'd like to use Ken Pittman as an example.  He came here months ago as a Beatty supporter, and a lot of people here laughed at him for it.  We mocked him and made fun of his radio show.  But the truth is KEN PITTMAN IS THE MAN.  HE TOTALLY CALLED THIS!  And darn it, he deserves some credit!  I don't know about you guys, but I think I owe Ken an apology, so here goes.  

KEN - I'M SORRY.  I'M SORRY I DOUBTED YOU.  I'M SORRY I WROTE YOU OFF AS A NAIVE NUT JOB WHO DEARED TO DREAM.  WHO DEARED TO BELIEVE IN A NO NAME POLITITION (in defiance of the MA GOP machine).  You said Beatty was the best man to take on John Kerry, YOU WERE LAUGHED AT, but here we are June 4th!  

THIS IS YOUR DAY KEN!  TIME FOR THE VICTORY LAP!


Thank You, RRR 2 1/2 (0.00 / 0)
I can always count on RMG's resident court jester to make me smile!

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thanks EaBo and Angelic One : ) (0.00 / 0)
I was just messing around.

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Against it. (0.00 / 0)
Put me in the "better luck next time" category.  Ogo ran for Senate and didn't make the ballot.  It is time to move on.  There are other candidates that did make the ballot, let's try supporting them.

I'm Sure Democrats Will Support Your Sentiments (0.00 / 0)

Democrat State Committeewoman Marie Sweeney of Tewksbury recently read my post & laid out her tongue-in-cheek impressions on http://richardhowe.com/?p=893#comments:

Over at the Red Mass blog, the angelic one posts a “modest proposal” for Jim Ogonowski - run a sticker campaign against Niki Tsongas. The “angel” visions Ogonowski and his campaign staff as now having a way to get back in favor with the Republicans that saw him as a winner in Massachusetts. He sees a way to make Ogonowski a heroic “uniter” of Massachusetts Republicans and a sure cure as Republicans gird themselves for the “Year of the Democrat” locally and nationally.

Can Ogonowski beat Tsongas? If Team Ogonowski does its job right, then yes he can. If he loses to Tsongas by a closer margin (say 47% instead of 45%), then Ogonowski puts even more pressure on Tsongas (especially during the so-called “Year of the Democrat”) & sets himself up for another confrontation in 2010 - which might be a better year for the GOP in general & the O-Man in particular. If Tsongas continues to show weakness, she may be powerless to prevent her district from being carved up after redistricting (provided, of course, that none of her congressional colleagues move on, retire, or die). The redistricting confusion will only benefit Ogonowski if he builds a solid foundation for the future NOW. The O-Man is well liked; people want him to succeed. For that to happen, Ogonowski must throw his support behind Beatty & Beatty must throw HIS support behind the O-Man’s run against Tsongas.

The strategy is all there for all we Democrats in the 5th District to see. Alert the foot soldiers and grass roots folks from Lowell to Sudbury, from Haverhill to Shirley - better watch out - Jim Ogonowski and his crack campaign staff may refocus their efforts to his “home” territory. Stay tuned.

Marie is one of the sharpest operatives in the district. She's already positioning herself & her comrades for a possible Ogonowski rematch with Tsongas. The Merrimack Valley Democrats seem to have more respect for what Ogonowski can accomplish than do certain members within the O-Man's own party. Ogonowski has a choice: he can agree with those Republicans who feel he's yesterday's newspapers & walk away from a winable race or he can pick himself up, dust himself off, & throw himself back into battle - this time with Tsongas. The choice is now up to Ogonowski; may he choose well.



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What irks me is that he did walk away from this race. (0.00 / 0)
And now to get back into it at this time all the things that you listed need to fall into place.  But why should any of us expect these things to fall into place?

He should pick himself up and dust himself off and make sure that he has the necessary signatures to be on the ballot in 2010.


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It's Still Not Too Late (0.00 / 0)
Fortune favors the bold. Sure, Ogonowski can wait till 2010 but things change & there's no guarantee said changes will favor the O-Man if he's left himself out of the loop for the next two years. In order for 2010 to be his year, Ogonowski has to run NOW in order to rebuild & expand his organization so that its pumped & primed for 2010 - especially if redistricting significantly alters the Fifth Congressional District. Any serious student of politics knows you don't run when you feel like it; you run based on developing long term strategies to achieve long term goals. Ogonowski's fate is in his own hands.

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Redistricting will not take hold (5.00 / 1)
until 2012. Just wanted make sure we were all clear.  I am giving Jim, who is a friend, the benefit of his deliberations before I talk about next steps.

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I Know (5.00 / 1)
Redistricting isn't a done deal till 2012 but the process starts after 2010. While I personally don't know Ogonowski like you do, I'm trying to offer him suggestions on how to get past this fiasco if he wants to remain politically viable in the future. Should he decide to pack it up for good & forgo a career in politics, I'll be disappointed (the Democrats will rejoice) but I'll respect his decision - which he alone must make.

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Well then, (0.00 / 0)
WERE Ogo to actually run AND WIN the 5th, there's certainly no mystery in figuring out which district gets chopped up in 2010, is there?

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True Enough (0.00 / 0)
But preserving the Fifth in the future will be a bipartisan concern among the district's activists as it has been in the past. And a lot of things can happen between now & then. If, for example, an existing congressman moves on, retires, or dies in office around the tenure of US Representative Ogonowski (after 2011) & IF Ogonowski does the yeoman work necessary to solidify his position in the district, in Washington, & on Beacon Hill (where the district's lines will be re-drawn), then the O-Man can dodge the bullet. There are a lot of variables to consider but they ultimately mean nada if Ogonowski does nothing NOW to affect the future course of the district - & his own political fortunes.

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And he who controls the money controls the process. (0.00 / 0)
Who controls the money?  Steve Panagiotakos that's who.  The fifth is safe.

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no no... (0.00 / 0)
Pangie's DISTRICT is safe. Look for a new district where Lowell is even MORE important.

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I Agree With Wavemaker (0.00 / 0)
But again there are many variables & right now it's too early to tell how things will go. My point is that Ogonowski can either be a passive spectator or a leading player in what happens down the road.

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Spilled Milk, if left untouched, will stink after a while. (0.00 / 0)
I am too busy to be more involved here-sorry but.........

My phone started to ring early on Wed. morning. I was in the middle of traffic. The caller wanted to now if I had heard that Ogo fell short-by just 30 signatures. Another caller asked the same. The phone is getting hot now. The phone rang again and the voice was of a sorryful tone.

The phone was red hot and going at mach 5 now that I am making calls trying to find out what happened. My own poll was taking place trying to disect what many may have felt caused this anguish among so many people.

The pieces of the puzzle had no glue.
Was there some confusion left over from last year's campaign ?? Some felt that there was no energy out on the street about this senate run. Others heard from people confused as to why Ogo was trying for the senate seat.

Did they start late gathering the sigs ? Some said yes while others said they were suggesting they buy some early on to get a cushion. That idea fell on deaf ears. It was also evident that they collected too many un-qualified signatures. This could have led to such a low cert. %. Why did they hold on to these sheets anyway ?? Why not bring them in and have a running tally of certified sigs ?

Was there some infiltration of the ranks by the other side ? Who knows, who cares, it happens on all big campaigns. It's a smart covert strategy. I remember putting out dozens of Romney / Senate sign's in one night. Only to wake up and see them disappear over night. I wish I had the funds to pay a $5 per sign bounty !!

Why would you run commercials ( they were good too ) making fun of Kerry when you haven't gotten on the ballot or won the primary yet ? Was it that they underestimated their opponent a/o over estimated their own ability to achieve the most important first step  ? Obviously-rookie mistake !! Who was running this show anyway ??

Another interesting tidbit. There was a bunch of tension which caused the loss of some key volunteers. Was this more of that tension carried over from last year ??  Seems to be some haven't learned that it is about addition, not subtraction along with respect for those donating their precious time-smile and say thank you !

Still another sign of fatality was a call someone got about the last fundraising letter. Seems as though this college prof. felt as if a grade schooler wrote it. Worse, was that someone brought it to their attention, which fell on deaf ears - again.  So let's see. You are expecting people to give you money with the hope to win a U.S Senate seat and you don't have a person in the know proof read the letter. Then, when someone brings it to your attention- you ignore it ?  Who was running this show ?

There is a time that when things are not going as planned, the person who's name is on the sign has to step in and take back some control. Bridges only burn when you let them. The milk got sour and when it started to smell, no one wanted to drink it.

I feel bad for those that worked so hard. They were put in a very difficult position from the start. They had limited resources to work with and not much time to put it all together.

Now what ?  The Angelic one has Ogo running a sticker campaign hoping to rise out of the ash heap of dead elephants. Sorry Ang, can't agree with you on this one.  

Here is my three cents worth(inflation). Yes Ang,Ogo should come out and profusely thank those who stuck with him. Yes he should apologize for making the mistake of running for the Senate seat.  Ang's idea of firing the person responsible-YES !!

Ogo needs to take the funds he has raised and give it out yesgive it out. Give it to those town committees who helped him. Give it to the candidates who DID make their respective ballots. Give it to local Republican candidates in town elections. Give some to the State Committee so they can breath a little. How about starting a fund to help the delegates to the convention defray some travel costs ??

It is time for reflection. Let us all learn from someone else's mistake. Everyone is valuable in a campaign. Many people help out because they WANT to, not because they are expecting to get something out of it.

"So let it be written, so let it be done."

My medulla Oblongata is sore - love that show !!

 


Ogonowski's Rubicon (0.00 / 0)
Madman, I can appreciate your angst over l'affaire Ogonowski. However, the scenario I've outlined in the above post was written to give the O-Man an option to remove the taint he & his team inflicted upon themselves. A sticker campaign in the Fifth Congressional GOP primary is do-able; a rematch with Tsongas is do-able (for some of the reasons I've previously listed). I'm pushing this option as a way to help Ogonowski get back on his feet & salvage his reputation. On this score, few people have offered their thoughts, arguing that they'll wait & see what Ogonowski himself will do. That's a mistake. All GOP activists need to make the argument to the O-Man that this option (or another yet to be heard) is preferable to his long term political career than filing legal challenges or withdrawing all together from this year's political cycle. If Ogonowski files legal challenges, he'll tear up the party; if he withdraws from this year's political cycle, he'll leave his political reputation sullied & contribute to the near-fatal morale crisis gripping swaths of GOP voters. In my mind, Ogonowski's best chance at political renewal lies in returning to the scene of his last political battle (as I've explained in previous posts). He has a chance to shine again. I urge him to take that chance NOW.

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Postscript (0.00 / 0)
It appears that Ogonowski will NOT run at all during this year's election cycle. Too bad. I'll put up a future post on what the O-Man's decision means for his future, the status the the state Republican Party, & why conservative/GOP activists should care about the controversy surrounding l'affaire Ogonowski.  



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