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Fatboy Chris Christie wants $200 from every single American for storm relief.

by: Vote3rdpartynow

Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 20:37:51 PM EST


Apparently AOL never got the email that explained how the rotund NJ Governor Chris Christie is no longer the darling of the Republican Party.  They subtitle the following story with this:

The outspoken governor and Republican darling weighed in on the House's decision to not vote on the Hurricane Sandy relief bill.

Read the story here.

"There is only one group to blame for the continued suffering of these innocent victims: the House majority and their speaker, John Boehner," he said. "This is not a Republican or Democratic issue. Natural disasters happen in red states and blue states and states with Democratic governors and Republican governors. We respond to innocent victims of natural disasters, not as Republicans or Democrats, but as Americans. Or at least we did until last night. Last night, politics was placed before oaths to serve our citizens. For me, it was disappointing and disgusting to watch."

The only thing more disgusting to watch was Governor Christie at the all-you-can-eat buffet at The Greasy Spoon on Friday night.  He is the only guy I know that goes into a restaurant and asks for an estimate!  

Funny how they said he 'weighed' in on the House's decision not to vote...'  I wonder if they were poking fun at the lard-ass Christie?  Misquotes aside, that is some nerve the New Jersey Governor has to imply that every single American citizen somehow owes $200 to the people of NJ and NY.  Over $60 billion (billion with a 'B' folks) is what the 'Trenton Blimp' claims we should give the survivors.  Sure, there was a ton of bipartisan rhetoric about how this problem should transcend politics so that the American people can do the right thing and send money to his state.  

My concern is that the estimate of damage is as inflated as the Portly Pol's waistline after a butterball turkey.  $60 billion is a lot of money.  That equals $200 for every man woman and child in this country.  Actually, that is $400 for every man women and child that belongs to the half of the country that pays federal taxes.  And that money should be sent, with no questions asked, to a group of people that Chris Christie himself warned about being in harms way.

"They are in harm's way, and I don't know if we can get them out," Christie said in a noontime press briefing. "These decisions are both stupid and selfish."

I ask, did nobody in NJ have house insurance?  Is the state of NJ in any way beholden to its citizens?  Are these estimates appropriate, or just another government handout that will never get paid back?  Amazing!  As the country wrestles with the question of its very financial existence the bloated, bulging bovine Governor sits at his desk and DEMANDS money from everyone else.  

On November 1st, just after the storm, Governor Chubby and the President walked along the beaches of New Jersey in matching windbreakers - matching except that Chris Christie's was a size 17XXL - and told people that help was on the way.  What the twins didn't tell them was that the money had to come out of the pockets of 300 million others who have bills of their own to pay - many also related to the same storm.  300 million people who are desperately holding onto their jobs.  300 million people who just got tagged with a higher social security tax thanks to Obama.  300 million people, almost all of whom knew better than to build houses on stilts next to the ocean.  $200 from every single man, woman and child in the country!  That is so much money, that if you put it all in a big fat dumpy bag it could be mistaken for the Governor himself!

So, on top of the $2,500 in new taxes Obama is ripping from my hands this year there will be another $1,000 put on my account for Governor Jumbo from Jew Jersey.  I am just a white guy working his ass off 60 hours a week and somehow I end every week owing someone else more money.  Obama gives federal workers a raise - and I foot the bill.  A storm hits NJ and I have to pay.  

When does it end?  

Vote3rdpartynow :: Fatboy Chris Christie wants $200 from every single American for storm relief.
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Let's like Governor Christie rebutt (in the spirit of V3PN...I said "butt") (0.00 / 0)


Answer two questions for me Simple.... (0.00 / 0)
1. When Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast the problem of funding and preparedness was dropped on Michael 'Brownie' Brown and George W Bush's laps.  But when Hurricane Sandy hits NJ and NY the problem belongs to the Speaker of the House and his political party?  Why is that?

2. My other question is - where did you get the video of the talking pig?

We are headed for a 'Fiscal Cliff' and the country just elected a dope whose motto is 'Forward'.  


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I'll answer question 2 with a question... (5.00 / 1)
When did Republicans start eating there own?  You used to adore "fat boy" because he "told it like it was" about teacher unions and state workers in general.  Now "fat boy" does some things you don't like and he is the devil reincarnated.  You are either a complete phony or dumb as mud.

As for question 1.  Again you just twist obvious facts to fit your feeble world view.  Brownie/Bush didn't get heat for delaying the funding, they got heat for their reaction (or inaction) of the first couple of days after the storm hit.  Katrina aid was passed in 10 days and we're on 60 plus days waiting for Sandy aid.  Some one needs to be held responsible.  I understand your world view of personal responsibility does not pertain a Republican Congress and their Speaker.  Chris Christie obviously understands members of his party can be wrong.  Something you can not comprehend.


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I did adore Fatboy once, but then..... (0.00 / 0)
I saw his true colors and how he intentionally set about to derail Mitt Romney's campaign.  And now he works to disable Boehner's work on Capital Hill.

So about the funding - have people from NJ and NY received nothing yet?  Are they still standing in puddles of water with no food or clothing?  of course not!  But you wouldn't know this from Fatboy's speech.  You would think nothing at all has happened yet!

Actually, there have been literally Billions of dollars of assistance (food, clothing, water, blankets, temporary housing, financial assistance, etc) pumped into the area from countless charities around the country and the world.  There have been concerts, fundraisers, dinners, and countless private donations thru apps and online.  It's not as though there has been no relief!  The American Red Cross alone has 9,000 people working in the area offering relief - they have served over 6 million meals and operated 16 shelters.  The victims are not forgotten.

Add to this that Obama declared, ahead of time, a state of emergency which accelerates funding from FEMA so that relief can be sent - including money!  FEMA has a budget for these kind of things.

It is also my understanding that an initial relief bill was passed int eh house for a much lesser amount, but then when it went to the Senate they loaded it up with pork barrel spending and that is when it got bogged down.  I will find a link for this...

And if the Republicans begin to eat their own - then Gov Chris Christie could feed the entire party for a year!

We are headed for a 'Fiscal Cliff' and the country just elected a dope whose motto is 'Forward'.  


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I had no idea Christie was full of so much hot air... (0.00 / 0)
...that he got a major hurricane to blow on to NJ/NY.  But given your writings, perhaps it was you?

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This comment makes no sense....as usual.... (0.00 / 0)


We are headed for a 'Fiscal Cliff' and the country just elected a dope whose motto is 'Forward'.  

[ Parent ]
Let me walk you through reading comprehension 101... (0.00 / 0)
You wrote, Christie "intentionally set about to derail Mitt Romney's campaign".  I wrote back that he somehow-intentionally--caused Hurricane Sandy using his hot air.  What's so hard to understand about that?  (Other than your absurd point that Christie intentionally derailed Romney...a fantasy held by deadenders like yourself to explain why Obama won by 4% over Romney.

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Republicans in Hideous Blue States (0.00 / 0)
...must say and do some awful things to keep their positions.

Childish Insults? Really? (0.00 / 1)
Yeah, because personally insulting anyone - including an elected governor of another state - is either constructive or dignified.  

It's precisely childish temper tantrums like this that turn people off of politics and basically turn people off in general.  It's pathetic when its done to Republicans and Democrats or people in general.

Substantive attacks on policy and actions, absolutely wonderful.  Childish attacks based on appearance and such, merely make me take you even less seriously and diminish the value of your opinions.


Are you for aid or against it? (0.00 / 0)


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Clean Bill (5.00 / 1)
What I'm for is a clean bill for Sandy relief that has no pork piled on for unrelated project.  Let the aid bill stand on its own merits and other items either be consolidated into a single spending bill or taken individually.  While it's common practice to lard up legislation it is rarely, if ever, appropriate.

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If it turns you off then you don't have to read it......n'est-ce pas? (5.00 / 1)
Nobody forced you to read it, did they?  And I didn't ask you to endorse it, did I?  I just wrote my opinion and you find that somehow it denigrates an entire political party, really?  

And I never really took much serious about you either Brock....

We are headed for a 'Fiscal Cliff' and the country just elected a dope whose motto is 'Forward'.  


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Shake it off dude ... you didn't do anything wrong. (0.00 / 0)


Molon Labe

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RRRR, I am posting a video just for you on Saturday.... (0.00 / 0)


We are headed for a 'Fiscal Cliff' and the country just elected a dope whose motto is 'Forward'.  

[ Parent ]
Brock - you obviously have a lot on your mind ... (0.00 / 0)
And apparently it's causing you to lash out at snark and fat jokes these days.  Relax.  Consider for a minute that other people on this blog think YOU are having a temper tantrum.

   

Molon Labe


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Simply put (0.00 / 0)
The "snark" as you call it often undermines what may otherwise be a valid argument.

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I'm with you. (0.00 / 0)
I'm not sure why I owe NY or NJ anything.

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Do you owe V3PN anything... (0.00 / 0)
...after all, he was on the dole for a good period of time (may be back on it) with he had that slovenly stretch of unemployment.  Come to think of it, why do we owe you a partially paid for college education from UMass?

[ Parent ]
If I could get back on the dole I would.... (0.00 / 0)
And therein lies the problem with the dole - people would rather be on it than to actually work.  Now if we remove the dole then everyone has to work for a living....And we wouldn't have to hear your pathetic retorts all the time..

We are headed for a 'Fiscal Cliff' and the country just elected a dope whose motto is 'Forward'.  

[ Parent ]
So if there was no unemployment safety net... (0.00 / 0)
...you would not have "chosen" to be laid off.  You would have told your employer to continue your employment, because you could get unemployment assistance?  

If you didn't offer the most absurd arguments (like this one) you wouldn't have to deal with my retorts.


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Let me explain a few things about my situation Simple - all should listen... (0.00 / 0)
I was laid off 4 years ago.  My severance package was half my salary, 6 months of health insurance, as well as a temporary membership into a private company called Lee Hecht Harrison, which helps people find work.  So on my last day of work I was handed a check for slightly more than $45K - less taxes which I eventually recouped.  In Massachusetts, a severance package is considered a legal agreement of employment separation and therefore I 'could' collect unemployment.  If I had been employed in NH that 6 months of pay would not be considered a legal agreement of separation, but rather compensation, in which case I could NOT collect unemployment.  So Massachusetts considers severance packages very differently than other states.

Second point, after my 6 months of free health insurance was finished I was able to get a federal reimbursement of 80% of my Cobra payment for health insurance.  At the time my Cobra payment was $1,400 per month, which is NOT high for Cobra because Cobra is not regulated by price unlike other health insurance programs.  There is a huge scam happening with Cobra payments to insurance companies.  Cobra cost increases are unregulated by states (perhaps because it is a federal program) unlike the other health insurance costs.  In Massachusetts a health insurance premium increase has to be approved, where a Cobra premium increase can be 20%, 30% or even 50% if the company wishes.  No oversight....

After the federal government covered the 80% of my health insurance costs the state of Massachusetts stepped in and covered another significant percentage of my health insurance Cobra premium balance.  In the end, my health insurance for a family of 5 cost me about $89 per month during this period.  Today, I pay about $1,200 for a lesser policy on my own...

Then to top it all off, after I returned to work as a 1099 contract employee I was still able to collect unemployment for 3 months because the unemployment office never bothered to check my status, and I was paid once a month so whatever I declared as income only suspended my UI for a single week at a time.  

If you want to talk about ridiculous situations this is it.  I estimate I received over $60K in benefits during this period, where had I worked in NH it would have been cut in half or less.

So am I a fool for taking it, or is Massachusetts a fool for offering it?  I could easily have survived the year on less money.  Heck, I reported $105K as income the year I was laid off, and I only worked for the month of January....  The rest was gravy....

At one point I tried contacting the unemployment office to tell them of how the system is a problem, but they don't like calls, and I wasn't going to wait 45 minutes for a live person to answer my call....

We are headed for a 'Fiscal Cliff' and the country just elected a dope whose motto is 'Forward'.  


[ Parent ]
OK, you want to play by the rules the system sets up to your advantage... (0.00 / 0)
...even though you rail against the very programs you exploit.  Fine.  The rules say you can and you do.  Then why do you rail against "liberals" who do the same thing and don't pay the "voluntary" state income tax surcharge?  Why is their behavior any different than yours?  It's not and you are to ignorant to see the flaw in your views.


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And when have I railed against someone collecting unemployment? (0.00 / 0)
Please find one example and I will apologize.  

Collecting unemployment is not the same as collecting so many forms of welfare - which I DO rail against.  We have been over this before Simple - companies pay into the UI program and their employees, once terminated, have a right to collect from that investment.  That is different than Obamaphones, EBT cards, illegal immigrants in state subsidized housing, etc.  

And using my example, here is where it is different.  When I could no longer collect unemployment because my benefits ran out (due to my income going up significantly) - I did not go and vote for Obama so he could extend them further into the future.  I did not call my Congressman or Senator and advocate for additional benefits.  I did not camp out with OWS and demand more benefits and loan forgiveness from others.  Your liberal mouthpieces like Elizabeth Warren DO go and advocate for higher taxes.  They do ask to increase income taxes and yet they won't pay it themselves.  Your liberals DO ask to change the law in order to take more from people all the while avoiding the very things they ask for.  

There is absolutely no way you can convince me that we all act the same - we don't....

We are headed for a 'Fiscal Cliff' and the country just elected a dope whose motto is 'Forward'.  


[ Parent ]
Yes we have been around this before... (0.00 / 0)
...and we established that YOU got supplemental unemployment help that was part of the stimulus that you railed again--did you ever think how you got the feds to pay 80% of your health insurance???  Because it was part of the strengthen safety net during the Great Recession.

As for establishing "criteria" you certainly have a clear criteria, and pretty consistent with many other conservatives,--when it helps me, it is a needed program, but when it helps someone I don't know (even to help them out against a natural disaster) then it's a government hand out.

And BTW, you criticized Christie for blasting the GOP Congress for not providing federal flood insurance claims for people who were all paid up on their insurance and were only looking to get money from their claim.  But you called this "pork".


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You just don't seem to hear what I am saying, do you? (0.00 / 0)
The point of my earlier post was to say that I got a lot of benefits - too much in fact!  The fact that I took them, and benefited from them is mute, as anyone would have taken them and benefited from them.  I also take my tax refund when I overpay my taxes!  Does that make me a hypocrite as well?  

The flood insurance, as has been pointed out by Patrick, was already established and approved.  

And I think when it comes to natural disasters there has to be a certain level of responsibility taken by people in harm's way.  For instance, every year at least one person gets lost in the White Mtns because they go out for a hike and end up getting lost.  They spend the night freezing in the mountains because they are ignorant and unprepared.  Often we hold them responsible for their actions and force them to pay for the rescue efforts.  So shouldn't we do the same when people build houses in harm's way?  

Many people in NJ built their houses on stilts, which is an admission that they are too close to the water's edge.  Other houses directly surrounding them were not on stilts and got washed away.  So V3PN and everyone else needs to pay for the ignorance of those people?  It's like the fools in New Orleans that built their houses below sea level!  it was an accident waiting to happen, and when it does we all feel terrible for the poor, poor people that lost their homes, duh!  Don't ya ever get sick of paying for stupid people's bad decisions?  

We pay for prisons when young men make the bad decision to kill someone or sell drugs.  We pay for welfare when people make bad decisions to have kids out of wedlock and with no responsible father around.  We pay for re-training programs for people who made the bad decision not to pay attention during K-12 and finally grew up at age 20 with no discernible skills.  We pay for the bad decisions of Presidents who invest our hard earned tax dollars on green companies that have no market ready product to sell.  We pay for 19000 EBT cards because our Governor makes the bad decision not to demonstrate any kind of responsible oversight for the program.  We are always paying for someone Else's bad decisions.  You just can't understand that can you?

We are headed for a 'Fiscal Cliff' and the country just elected a dope whose motto is 'Forward'.  


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*moot* (0.00 / 0)


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And when have I railed against someone collecting unemployment? (0.00 / 0)
Please find one example and I will apologize.  

Collecting unemployment is not the same as collecting so many forms of welfare - which I DO rail against.  We have been over this before Simple - companies pay into the UI program and their employees, once terminated, have a right to collect from that investment.  That is different than Obamaphones, EBT cards, illegal immigrants in state subsidized housing, etc.  

And using my example, here is where it is different.  When I could no longer collect unemployment because my benefits ran out (due to my income going up significantly) - I did not go and vote for Obama so he could extend them further into the future.  I did not call my Congressman or Senator and advocate for additional benefits.  I did not camp out with OWS and demand more benefits and loan forgiveness from others.  Your liberal mouthpieces like Elizabeth Warren DO go and advocate for higher taxes.  They do ask to increase income taxes and yet they won't pay it themselves.  Your liberals DO ask to change the law in order to take more from people all the while avoiding the very things they ask for.  

There is absolutely no way you can convince me that we all act the same - we don't....

We are headed for a 'Fiscal Cliff' and the country just elected a dope whose motto is 'Forward'.  


[ Parent ]
I dunno about V3PN. (0.00 / 0)
But with regard to NY and NJ, those closest to the situation are best able to assess need and also it would seem to me to be more obligated to help.  So here's a list of those who should help before the American taxpayer (in descending order more or less).

  • Insurance companies
  • The victims themselves. Time to use that "emergency fund."
  • Charities.
  • Corporations in NY/NJ. Wall St. spent how much on the election? Maybe they could spare a few bucks to help those around them.
  • NY/NJ taxpayers.


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[ Parent ]
Liberals want to change the old saying.... (5.00 / 1)
They used to say 'It takes a village".   But now they say 'It takes someone else's village".  

We are headed for a 'Fiscal Cliff' and the country just elected a dope whose motto is 'Forward'.  

[ Parent ]
How about people that paid Federal Flood Insurance... (0.00 / 0)
...and waiting for the feds to pay up?  According to your list, the feds should be right up there with insurance companies.  

[ Parent ]
Of course. (0.00 / 0)
I'm not very familiar with that program, but people should get what they are owed.  A quick google search makes it seem that the federal flood issue is all set.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/new...

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[ Parent ]
Now the the GOP Congress has promised to pass it... (0.00 / 0)
...AFTER telling NJ/NY they weren't going to address it soon...which is what got Christie (and all) upset.  So the issue is "all set" because of the stink that was kicked up, not because the GOP Congress was acting responsible...

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Again patrick, why should we have paid for part of your college education? (0.00 / 0)
When you could have worked full time and gone to school?  Or borrowed money from your parents (like Mitt suggested).  You seem to put a very high bar up to giving people assistance from a disaster, but don't seem to think you government hand out is all that bad.

[ Parent ]
You seem to be going in circles Simple.... (0.00 / 0)
The system is good when liberals are on it, but conservatives are bad for being on it as well!?!?

So tell us YOUR idea of what federal handouts are good and bad.  Tell us who should and should not be able to get federal handouts - who should qualify?  Tell us where YOUR line in the sand is.  Should everyone get unemployment benefits - even the wall street executives that get a $1M bonus before being laid off?  Should Millionaires and Billionaires get social security - and if not should they pay into the system?  How long should people be able to get benefits - forever or just a year or two years?  

It's hard to make have a conversation with you when you won't tell us your standards...It's kinda like when you say people should pay more in taxes, but when we ask what rate they should pay there is never an answer...  Tell us where you stand...

We are headed for a 'Fiscal Cliff' and the country just elected a dope whose motto is 'Forward'.  


[ Parent ]
I don't see where I put up a high bar. (0.00 / 0)
I also don't see how subsidized tuition to in state residents relates to disaster aid.

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Adverstise here for as low as $60 per week.








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