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Possible Brown-Baker Primary Race Gives Right an Opening

by: Simple J. Malarkey

Sun Feb 24, 2013 at 13:07:12 PM EST


(Yes, I know.  I'm front-paging our resident Liberal Troll.  But I think his article is an interesting read, and worth discussing.  Please don't hate me... - promoted by Paul R. Ferro)

Scott Brown's recent announcement that he was thinking about running for Governor got me thinking about a possible Charlie Baker / Scott Brown primary fight and its possible implications--such as providing an opening for the emerging rightwing coalition of social conservatives and libertarians to divide and conquer the moderate, establishment wing of the party.

But, before I could put my thoughts down, the Herald ran a speculative story about a dream-team ticket of Brown/Baker (or Baker/Brown, depending on your preference).  That scenario seems far more remote than my speculation.  I just can't see either one of them playing second fiddle to the other.  Sure Brown would offer Baker the unofficial post of "Deputy Governor" to go along with the powerless office of Lt. Governor, but Baker pretty much had that role in the '90s--been there, done that.  Baker is an accomplished guy and I can't see him playing second fiddle to someone that has a fraction of the policy bona fides he has.  Nor can I see the impressive ego Brown posses sharing the spot light with anyone, let alone someone who would outshine him in the State House.  Conversely, even without his ego, it is understandable that a former US Senator would NEVER run for Lt. Governor.  So a Brown/Baker ticket just seems to improbable.  

Sure the wise-men and women of the state GOP may persuade Brown to run for the Senate in 2014 (assuming conventional wisdom wins out in the upcoming special election).  But running for an open Governor's seat is a lot easier than running against an incumbent US Senator.  And why would Charlie Baker "pass" on the one political office he truly ever wanted?

So that leads us to an epic Brown-Baker primary, which I don't think will be bloody  and could prove to be positive for the MA GOP.  Neither of these two have negative personalities and I think would genuinely seek the high road (although Brown is a bit thin skinned and over reacts to minor slights).  Of course, all bets are off when it comes to GOP activists and how they behave with each other, as ongoing skirmishes at RMG illustrate.

If a Brown-Baker primary emerges, it will give the conservative wing of the party a great deal of room to maneuver.  Given the moderate social positions both have, each will have to court a Lt. Governor candidate from the right to mollify them.  It is great news for the scores of solidly conservative state reps, most notably women like Shauna O'Connell and Sheila Harrington (and leaves Dan Winslow scratching his head wondering why he's running for reelection to the House.)

But more likely, it creates a real opportunity for a third candidate, to the right of Brown-Baker, to enter the race.  Even someone as Simple as me understands Brown and Baker will split the moderate GOP vote and give grassroots activists a chance to finally score a major victory against the establishment.  Obvious speculation as to who that would be include O'Connell, along with businessmen/libertarian's Rick Green and Brad Wyatt.  Even more exciting would be a ticket that brought two strong conservatives together to galvanize the right.  Of course such a scenario of a Brown/Baker/Fill-in-the-blank-rightwing-candidate does increase the likelihood of a bloody primary.

This maybe one of those rare times when I and many here at RMG are rooting for the same thing:  An insurgent right-wing ticket that defeats two moderate pillars of the MA GOP.  Of course for different reasons.

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Baker and Brown will never run against each other.

Clearly you are worried either could defeat Steve Grossman, best bet for you would be for a no-name Conservative to upset them both at the same time! Nice try...

(R)- Outside 495


Nice try...? (0.00 / 0)
Like me writing a blog post would actually have some impact on who runs for Gov?  Is this your way of suggesting that they talk it out privately--maybe rock, paper scissors--and agree who runs?  Not out of the realm of possibility.  But regardless of party, those scenarios often dissolve because of personal ambition.  

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I'm not just suggesting they will do that (0.00 / 0)
I know they will. They campaigned together extensively in 2010, they are either going to run together, or one takes the lead.

You have a valid point about personal ambition, but I think both men have a different experience about politics, considering the nature our state and its very small circle of Republican leaders, and their humbling losses, both of which I know are still fresh in their minds.

The last thing either of them wants to do is to lose again, let alone to each other. It's about fighting the good fight, and beating up on each other certainly doesn't fit the bill there.  

(R)- Outside 495


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Then who do you think bows out? (0.00 / 0)
Or do you think the "Dream Team" has a shot?  Even if just one runs, both seem to have alienated the rightwing to one degree or another (Brown w/the Chair race / Baker with being way out there on social issues and the perception that the establishment bulldozed over anyone who hinted at supporting Christy). Given the Right's inclination to be challenging the establishment every chance they get, don't you think there will be a good chance of challenge coming from the Right?  Assuming there is a robust Dem Primary, the GOP primary won't be attracting tons of unenrolled moderates to bail out the establishment.

Hey, it was a stormy day yesterday and I put some thoughts down, after Brown said he was interested.  As for the Dems, it appears to be shaping up to be a crowded primary.  Whether Grossman gets any tier 1 competition remains to be seen.  I doubt Coakley, but maybe Capuano.  A lot of tier two candidates are kicking tires, hoping for a Patrick / Warren replay.  Accept for maybe Dan Wolfe, I don't see them breaking out.  


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Simple, I have NEVER enjoyed you so much (0.00 / 0)
as all your comments herein.  I think there is little chance of either scenario, quite simply because, as you point out, I can't see one on top of the ticket, the other below, but I also can't see them running against each other. The latter, does, however, present the most interesting scenario, with both pulling out a good conservative as Lt., so I do wish it was more conceivable that they would primary against each other.  In the end, what would be most appealing and exciting would be a Shauna O'Connell with either of them as Lt., though I know that will never be.  Not being one to subscribe to the "it's time" for a women Governor, it appears others do, so maybe O'Connell could be just the right person at the right time.  I don't want to hear she needs more experience/time/seasoning.  My God, we have a community organizer running our country, and we all know Shauna could do far better then him.

But back to Simple.  I truly enjoyed these comments and perceptions, so I guess I do like having you troll this site - - - when it's productive or interesting commentary.  Thanks for posting Rob.  


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You bring up a good point... (0.00 / 0)
     I agree with you TL in regards to both Brown and Baker needing a strong candidate who can pull in the conservatives. I think it's the only way Brown can win and Baker obviously needs to atone for choosing Tisei last time. But don't assume there is no chance that Shaunna will not be chosen. Both Brown and Baker have spoken glowingly of Shaunna and I would think she would be on both their short lists for a running mate.

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REALTY is Shauna would have a better chance of (0.00 / 0)
winning being on the top of the ticket.  Unfortunately realty is also that the establishment and political jockying would likely never let it happen.  When's the last time our GOP gave us someone who could win at the top of the ticker . . .  where they spend all the money.

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Malarkey ! ? (5.00 / 1)
For a Democrat in the most Democratic state in the union, you are really obsessed with Republicans.  You're like a straight man who just can't stop watching Logo TV.  When are you going to free the Republican within you ?  Really, it gets better !

RRRR should rate your comment a 5... (0.00 / 0)
You're like a straight man who just can't stop watching Logo TV.  That is a good line that I'm gonna use some day (do you steal it yourself?  A big part of it is the GOP is the party going through more of an evolution than the Dems, so it is more interesting to watch.  Yes, part of it is gleeful thinking on my part.  

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Thank you ! (0.00 / 0)
That line is an original.  Feel free to use it.

What you are observing in the MAGOP is a living party in a democracy.  Your beloved MA Democratic Party is like a weird hybrid of the East German Communist Party and the Mafia. It's totally corrupt and brain-dead. Actually, I'm surprised you D's aren't looking at a Tierney/Lantigua ticket for 2014.


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SPOT ON (0.00 / 0)
in every word and regard.

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LOL - "Tierney/Lantigua Ticket" (0.00 / 0)
That's a great idea for a sign!  

Molon Labe

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Right, at least Dem voters don't... (0.00 / 0)
...elect a convicted felonies into office...really, why bother with silly rhetoric?

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OMG ! .... (0.00 / 0)
My precious time and space on this page will not allow me to elaborate on Mass Democrats and felonies.  However, Simple, you have obliged me to type the one cardinal reference of them all .... Chappaqiddick.  

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Wrong week to... (0.00 / 0)
use the word Cardinal in the same sentence as Chappaquiddick.  (And you're best material happened to a dead man almost 50 years ago.  Desperate times requires desperate actions.)

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I will never 5 a comment that you already 5'd Simple J Malarkey! (5.00 / 1)
My 5's are decent and pure!

Molon Labe

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That was a joke BTW ... (0.00 / 0)


Molon Labe

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Mine 5s are obviously for the vile and disgusting... (5.00 / 1)


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Brown has some work to do... but ... (4.00 / 1)
Forgetting his moderate  positions on many issues, Brown alienated activists by his lack of support for local and congressional candidates, but in 2010 and 2012.

Baker on the other hand spent the last 2 years campaigning and doing fundraisers for candidates. That has gained not only their loyalty, but the loyalty of their volunteers and supporters.

If Brown intends to run for Governor, he needs to repair this self-inflicted wound. He can start by campaigning for the State Rep and State Senate Candidates running in special elections (after the primaries0. Likewise he would be shrewd to stay out of the Republican primary but be willing to campaign hard for the Republican nominee.

The activists and base are in no mood to support a gubernatorial candidate, that will make the MA-GOP all about the Governor's race. And face it, if he wants to be a successful governor, he's going to need more Republicans in legislature. So it's in his enlightened self-interest to campaign with and for candidates for Beacon Hill.

Brown is still very popular among many Republicans, unenrolled voters and even Democrats. But you can't win without volunteers to do the work.

I think Brown would actually make a good governor. He's not a liberal on social issues. Rather he's a moderate. So I'd very much like to see him get himself out of the dog house with activists.

Baker has to come back to center on social issues if he expects to win. Baker went to the far left on these issues in 2010. Making it virtually impossible for many in the base to vote for him, let alone work for him. From a fiscal point of view, I'm sure Charlie Baker would make good governor.

All that said; I wouldn't rule out some of the rising stars in the MA-GOP as viable candidates. Shaunna O'Connell comes to mind, as does Jim Lyons. That's just to name 2.


It is very difficult NOT making it all about the Governor's race. (0.00 / 0)
I know that is the #1 gripe of GOP activists, but I think it is a bum rap.  First it is all the media wants to cover.  Ask Mary Connaughton how easy it was for her to get attention, never mind a state rep getting attention.  I know your talking about fundraising and other support.  But I think that is unreasonable also.  Your running for Gov and you have to raise millions of dollars, $500 at a time.  You don't have a lot of time to spend helping other people.  

Plus, all candidates have to reach a certain threshold of credibility.  How many local candidates raised $15,000 on their own?  When you need $50,000 or more to run a tough state rep seat, if you can't raise the first $15,000, what should ANYONE running their own campaign help someone who can't help themselves.  

I think the "the establishment only cares about statewide races" is an excuse the grassroots use for having weak candidates at the local level.


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