I'm conservative, because I'm a bleeding heart liberal.

In all respect (0.00 / 0)

What exactly are your "bleeding heart liberal" positions?  You seem like a staunch conservative from the postings I've seen.

Also, can you elaborate on this "The best it seems liberals have regarding the family is giving young girls birth control." Last I heard, liberals were the ones advocating sex education, including concepts like esteem.  Maybe I missed something.

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by: CSI @ Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 09:01:22 AM CST

You did miss something (0.00 / 0)

Both versions of sex education don't work. Neither tell the whole story. I never learned the development of a fetus until I was married and pregnant, but I knew how to received anal sex at the age of 14. Not only did see a condom placed on a cucumber, I saw one place over a young man's head, despite the poor STD and pregnancy prevention rates.

Sex wasn't about relationships, it was about recreation. No one talks about sex in the concept of a stable monogamous relationships, where you don't actually need to think about STDs or really need much worry of your husband leaving you a non-planned pregnancy. Adult relationships with children have nothing to with 'me', 'me', 'me'. It's about sacrifice and they're not teaching that in sex eduction.

No one spoke of the emotional repercussions we felt, if you felt bad about sex or abortion, it was because of religious guilt. There actually a biological reason why women feel sad, because of released during sex and pregnancy that actually makes a women have a stronger attachment to men and her unborn child. From a physiological point of view it is not normal to hook up or terminate a pregnancy. I, myself a sexually active teenager, and known my peers who have hooked up, contracted STDs and had abortions we don't look at this time as empowering. We feel like fools.

My point is liberals don't have 'bleeding heart' positions, in fact they are very harmful to the well being of the community. In Black America, 70% of the children are born out of wed-lock and they have a higher rate of abortion and STDs including AIDs, despite there is a high number of 'health clinics' placed in these neighborhoods.

According to Bill Cosby and others like myself, we're sick of so-called liberals screwing with our lives. We're sick always having to the play this co-dependent relationships of being the victim for liberals to save us and be the hero from those mean bad "enemy de jour". We're sick of you priding yourselves as our savior. We're sick of being your bitch, and pimping us out.

We ask you to please stop.

“The family does not exist for society or the state, but society and the state exist for the family.” "People have no problem trying to influence other people's children, but no one wants someone influencing their own."

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by: Renee @ Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 11:25:40 AM CST

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clarification (0.00 / 0)

Cosby speaks out a lot on playing the victim, but like myself he support public schools and libraries. All my children watch is PBS and we use the public library. I would use public schools if it wasn't for the disregard parental involvement. Cosby doesn't use terms like conservative or liberal. In regards to sex education, his goal in mind is teaching a child the whole concept of what "manhood" and "womanhood" means.  

“The family does not exist for society or the state, but society and the state exist for the family.” "People have no problem trying to influence other people's children, but no one wants someone influencing their own."

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by: Renee @ Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 12:31:35 PM CST

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OK, now I'm really confused (0.00 / 0)

Last I checked, Massachusetts schools are not required to teach sex education and curriculum are left up to the local district. Even so, every curriculum I've ever heard of starts with egg and sperm and moves on to fetal development.  I've never heard of one covering anal sex, though. Where did you go to school?

My point is liberals don't have 'bleeding heart' positions, in fact they are very harmful to the well being of the community.

Are you saying you weren't actually a liberal?  I'm genuinely curious what liberal positions you held.

We're sick of you priding yourselves as our savior. We're sick of being your bitch, and pimping us out.

I'm not sure what I said which led to this response.  I'm almost certain Bill Cosby believes nothing of the sort.  How exactly are liberals pimping you out?

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by: CSI @ Wed Jan 02, 2008 at 22:32:54 PM CST

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Denial? (0.00 / 0)

Bill Cosby wrote a book, it's available. Your choice to read it or not, but you can't be certain until you do.

Are you afraid to read what Bill Cosby really thinks? He talks about churches needed to be more active in the community, parents being the primary care givers, and men needed to step up being fathers and husbands.

I don't think anyone is against sex education. People just disagree with what and where should be taught. I think you proved my point about pimping, liberals assume only they and their policies really care. You made a reference that conservative don't want to teach sex education and that liberals care about self esteem. I see liberal policy stripping away community foundations, such as family, church, boy scouts as being unimportant and even harmful. It's like an abusive relationship, where the boyfriend convinces the woman that only he cares about her and no on else, then the woman is separate he takes advantage of the relationship.

While many conservatives believe believe in chasity rings, I do not. Just today, being 14 weeks pregnant with baby #4 I was telling my 3 year old son, how it is the daddy's job to cut the umbilical cord at birth, as he inquired about it in the ultra-sound I had of the baby. Sex is easy, humans have been doing it for years without a class. What's hard is relationships. Young children saw adult in functional relationships all the time, so they knew how to behave when they reached puberty, now we have educators tells us do whatever we want as long as we are using a condom.

Liberals don't care if you get pregnant, or whether or not there will be a daddy for the child or even keep the pregnancy. Liberals don't care if you get an STD and become infertile down the road. Liberal policy actually promotes it, because the more poor decisions young adults make, the more need for government programs to fix the problem with education and health services.

What is so bizarre about this conversation is that you don't care about the situations I'm talking about, all you care about is about what are my liberal positions. My point isn't about liberals or conservative, my point is about what does it mean to really care and if one had a bleeding heart, what would he or she do. You don't care about the 12 year old girl, the experiences of myself or my peers, or what Bill Cosby really thinks. You seem completely dismissive.

Anyways regarding anal sex.... and numerous other issues my sex education turned into a court case. The case is here

http://www.ca1.uscourts.gov/cg...

Ann Coulter also got a hold of the case for her book. Now I don't like Ann Coulter or her behavior, (she's vulgar and ruse) but she did hit this on the head.

http://www.ebooks.com/ebooks/b...  

I deserved better then what liberals had to served me. Everyone does.

Take care  

“The family does not exist for society or the state, but society and the state exist for the family.” "People have no problem trying to influence other people's children, but no one wants someone influencing their own."

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by: Renee @ Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 03:17:55 AM CST

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Let's see (2.00 / 1)

The origin of "Bleeding Heart Liberal" can be traced to the "Bleeding Heart of Christ" the "Sacred Heart" which is revered in Catholicism.  Since Catholicism has a Social Justice component, which Renee has said she subscribes to she is reiterating that she is a "Bleeding Heart" or Catholic Liberal.  The Democratic party is fast losing it's once monopoly over Catholics due to it's "Socially Liberal" which are not the same as "Bleeding Heart Liberal" positions.

I hope this clears up any confusion for you.

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by: Rob "EaBo Clipper" Eno @ Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 15:50:23 PM CST

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Not really (0.00 / 0)

Although it does confirm my impression of you as pompous, not very honest, and kind of an asshole.

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by: CSI @ Thu Jan 03, 2008 at 22:45:08 PM CST

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It's no use EaBo. (0.00 / 0)

Some people insist on remaining confused.

And obnoxious.

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by: wavemaker @ Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 10:41:28 AM CST

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thank you (0.00 / 0)

It takes a strong person to admit it.

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by: CSI @ Fri Jan 04, 2008 at 14:14:04 PM CST

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